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I like Schumacher, I find his antics amusing. I absolutely think he's one of the greatest F1 drivers ... the dumb things he keeps trying to pull off rarely work anyway. My favourite race by him was the 2006 Brazilian Grand Prix. He didn't win, but he drove the wheels off his car trying, pulling some epic passes. Not sure if I'm remembering it right, but I think once he and Barrichello were trying to outbrake each other into turn one, both of them massively locked up the brakes, and Michael still pulled off the pass. Also he held fastest lap for the race.

The Ferraris were light years ahead of everyone else at that track in 2006, but he did put on a great show. I only wish Massa (his team mate at the time) had slowed up the pack at the front to help him catch up and pass them. With Massa's help MS could have won the WDC at that race which would have been a great story.
 
As far as this last race, I don't know that I would completely blame his antics. risky, yes, but don't think he realy should have ben punished for it. He made one move which is allowed under the rules and it was predictable move. He is not allowed to make two blocking moves and Barricello could have simply gone the other side and Schumi would not have been able to move that way. As it was he didn't run Barricello into the wall and there was no crash, unlike other moves made by some drivers this year.

..Tom

IMO MS should have been put on a lifelong probation in 97, that way this last act of wrecklessness would have allowed the FIA to suspend his racing license for a while. Of course the FIA are gutless but that's another topic.

The problem with MS move is that RB was already alongside when he continued to squeeze him towards the wall. He put their safety on the line for absolutely nothing. RB was squeezed right into the pit exit, so far off the track that MS had to dart to the left to avoid a collision again. That's two times he risked a crash in one move because he failed to accept that he was beat 1/2 way down the straight. He's fast, sure, but he has absolutely no sense of fair play. No sportsmanship at all and a complete disregard for his opponent's safety.
 
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in case anyone cares, f1 video game for xbox, pc and ps3 coming out in september...

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That series doesn't included the time he blindly ran into the back of Coulthard at Spa and then accused him of trying to kill him.

LOL Dude, you're leaving out facts that paint Schumey an even worse villain... Having watched that race live, you would have noted the heavy rain, not to mention fog, not to mention the laptimes Schumacher was running IN the wet (2:03s vs 2:11s+ mins of others) lapping schmucks like Coulthard.. I'm sure he wanted to throw his race away by ramming someone from behind, WHILE in the lead.. yeah

Point is, Coulthard lifted off the gas on the racing line, instead of accellerating and moving over..

The fact that he slowed down so much, as evident in the impact, costed Schumacher the race win, in an inferior car (wet races are the great "equalizers") These are the main REASONS Schumacher was so ****** off and accused him of trying to kill him in the heat of the moment.

But oh wait, this latest part of the thread is all about how evil Schumacher is... Hateorade does floweth when people are thirsty after years of being spanked by the best.

WHen you are the best, was was Schumacher for years, people paint you to be a god and he proved time and time again that he was human. (So has Tiger Woods)

Either way, Formula One sucks compared to what it used to be. Every time I watch a race, ALl of its balloney rule changes in recent years were basically designed to halt the progress of Ferrari & Michael Schumacher because of fans like you who became sore when he kept on winning.
 
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The talent was always there even in a crappy car. He put Piquet into early retirement within four races.

Not a supporter of the guy, but he did change F1's thinking towards fitness and he totally dominated the modern F1 era with fuel and pit stops, sometimes while not having the fastest car.

This year has been a complete let-down, Rosberg is no slow coach but Nico has been consistantly faster and by a far margain.

your comments about Murray Walker earlier were well-noted as well as this bit too, coming from an English person seems very rare.. Schumacher turned Ferrari around alongside Brawn, Todt, etc.

I can't stand to watch Formula One anymore because of ITV and their blackout of Speed.. ITV were okay with Brundle/Walker combo but Allen/Brundle has become such a pro-Britain fest that it makes me sick to listen for more than a few laps. It would be fine it it were isolated to to the UK, but the fact that we have to put up with it is enough for me not to watch.
 
People who don't think Schumi has been an incredible driver, the best ever, really aren't looking at the whole picture or aren't paying attention.

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Having said that he was so good he almost killed F1 as no one likes to see one person totally dominate.

As far as this last race, I don't know that I would completely blame his antics. risky, yes, but don't think he realy should have ben punished for it. He made one move which is allowed under the rules and it was predictable move. He is not allowed to make two blocking moves and Barricello could have simply gone the other side and Schumi would not have been able to move that way. As it was he didn't run Barricello into the wall and there was no crash, unlike other moves made by some drivers this year.

..Tom

His domination brought about many of the rule changes to make the sport more "competitive" ... both in regard to costs and speed .....to the point it's almost a lottery or gumball machine now..

I think the sport sucks now because A) on most tracks you cannot pass (see Hungaroring, Monaco, etc)
B) the only passes are usually down to fresher tires/superior car

very little is down to the actual driver anymore..

C) the points system is such a joke.. 8 pts for a 2nd place ... no one wants to even WIN anymore because its too dangerous and they can wait it out over the season and hope to beat the FASTER guy above them down the long run.
 
LOL Dude, you're leaving out facts that paint Schumey an even worse villain... Having watched that race live, you would have noted the heavy rain, not to mention fog, not to mention the laptimes Schumacher was running IN the wet (2:03s vs 2:11s+ mins of others) lapping schmucks like Coulthard.. I'm sure he wanted to throw his race away by ramming someone from behind, WHILE in the lead.. yeah

Point is, Coulthard lifted off the gas on the racing line, instead of accellerating and moving over..

The fact that he slowed down so much, as evident in the impact, costed Schumacher the race win, in an inferior car (wet races are the great "equalizers") These are is the real REASONS Schumacher was so ****** off and accused him of trying to kill him.

But oh wait, this latest part of the thread is all about how evil Schumacher is... Hateorade does floweth when people are thirsty after years of being spanked by the best.

WHen you are the best, was was Schumacher for years, people paint you to be a god and he proved time and time again that he was human. (So has Tiger Woods)

Either way, Formula One sucks compared to what it used to be. Every time I watch a race, ALl of its balloney rule changes in recent years were basically designed to halt the progress of Ferrari & Michael Schumacher because of fans like you who became sore when he kept on winning.

I don't get it!

So, you're saying that because of the poor visibility it wasn't Schumacher's fault that he hit someone? You're saying DC was at fault, because he wasn't in lead at the time (so he obviously wanted to crash, unlike Schumacher)? You're saying the fact that Schumy was taking huge risks to be so much faster than everyone else has no bearing on who was responsible for the crash?

As I recall, telemetry showed that Coulthard DID NOT lift when Schumy hit him, though it really shouldn't matter as it was his option to drive as he wanted to as long as he didn't obstruct MS. MS had plenty of room to go around him IF HE HAD SEEN HIM! And it's always been the overtaking driver's responsibility to pass safely, but when it's Schumi-god at the wheel then you're telling me the only proper racing etiquette seems to be to get out of his way, or die trying??? I mean, what if DC had to slow down do avoid another car. MS had to account for such possibilities and had to leave some margin of safety but he just didn't. It's what made him fast, sure, but it's also what makes him so reckless.

And no, moving over to let someone by at the last second is much worse than staying on the racing line. That's what got Gilles killed. Given the very poor visibility that day, there was no way either DC or MS could have forseen each other's movements with enough time to make it safe for DC to move over, so it only mase sense for him to hold onto the racing line. No, the explanation for this collision is dead simple; MS messed up badly and was so blinded by his arrogance and poor sense of sportsmanship that he actually, truly, believed that DC was trying to kill him!

He acted like a deity. It should be no surprise that people would hate him for that. If easing up a bit was all it took to put MS in an unavoidable crash situation then HE WAS TAKING TOO MANY RISKS TO BEGIN WITH!


And yea, F1 sucked as a sport when MS was there, because he was so much faster than everyone else. Formula Schumacher, they called it. It was great knowing that we were watching a legend at work but that's not entertaining for me. It's as riveting as watching cows getting lined up for slaughter! A good sporting event should be competitive, there should be tension and mystery and surprises. If you liked watching MS dominate that's fine but I have news for you; that's not sport.

I don't blame him for ruining the show. He was in another class and he shouldn't be blamed for that, but I do blame him for acting like a conceited child on the track. Apart from adding needless risk to the race, it was just distasteful to watch.
 
your comments about Murray Walker earlier were well-noted as well as this bit too, coming from an English person seems very rare.. Schumacher turned Ferrari around alongside Brawn, Todt, etc.

I can't stand to watch Formula One anymore because of ITV and their blackout of Speed.. ITV were okay with Brundle/Walker combo but Allen/Brundle has become such a pro-Britain fest that it makes me sick to listen for more than a few laps. It would be fine it it were isolated to to the UK, but the fact that we have to put up with it is enough for me not to watch.

I grew up listening to Murray and James, i hear ya with Brundle and co....useless. I still miss James Hunt, no-one i mean no-one in any form of motorsports has ever called a race like he did. Hunt was a huge fan of Senna and Schumacher.

Senna for most of career had the same bad P.R as Schumacher did, it all changed after the race in Donnington when everyone realized he was on a different level.

Trouble is with Schumacher he just never learned how to block like Senna did ;)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQUcHDn4-uk"]YouTube- ‪Patrese spins off on the very last lap, trying to overtake Senna at German GP 1992‬‎[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8itLNyrunBo"]YouTube- ‪British Grand Prix 1993‬‎[/ame]
 
I miss James calling Muddy Talker an idiot every 2 minutes.




And someone tell Coulthard to stop whispering.
 
I don't get it!

So, you're saying that because of the poor visibility it wasn't Schumacher's fault that he hit someone? You're saying DC was at fault, because he wasn't in lead at the time (so he obviously wanted to crash, unlike Schumacher)? You're saying the fact that Schumy was taking huge risks to be so much faster than everyone else has no bearing on who was responsible for the crash?

As I recall, telemetry showed that Coulthard DID NOT lift when Schumy hit him, though it really shouldn't matter

And no, moving over to let someone by at the last second is much worse than staying on the racing line. That's what got Gilles killed. Given the very poor visibility that day, there was no way either DC or MS could have forseen each other's movements with enough time to make it safe for DC to move over, so it only mase sense for him to hold onto the racing line. No, the explanation for this collision is dead simple; MS messed up badly and was so blinded by his arrogance and poor sense of sportsmanship that he actually, truly, believed that DC was trying to kill him!

He acted like a deity. It should be no surprise that people would hate him for that. If easing up a bit was all it took to put MS in an unavoidable crash situation then HE WAS TAKING TOO MANY RISKS TO BEGIN WITH!

MS thought he was trying to kill him because initially he thought he did it on purpose (brake testing) him -- I'd be ****** too, the conditions only made it more stupid to brake OR lift ..

To say he did not lift (telemetry) is balloney and ignorant... there's no way an F1 car hits that violently without a driver lifting the gas and/or braking at the same time. I'm assuming Schumacher had no problems lapping any of the others before DC

Lastly, Coulthard admitted he lifted to let michael pass afterwards..
 
MS thought he was trying to kill him because initially he thought he did it on purpose (brake testing) him -- I'd be ****** too, the conditions only made it more stupid to brake OR lift ..

That's just as crazy! He thought DC brake checked him as he was about to lap him!?!?! That has to tell you something about his psyche.

Watching the video it looks like DC did slow down, but then according to the announcers Ferrari went to McLaren in the pits and asked him to! They also blame MS for the crash.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLGqedydP74&NR=1"]YouTube- ‪F1 Spa 1998 Schumacher & Coulthard Crash‬‎[/ame]
 
Well the right driver won the wc, won't mention any names just in case some of you sleepy heads might not have watched the race yet.
 
I would have been happy to see any of the top 3 take it. A bit disappointed at the way it happened, it looked like some serious strategic mistakes from a number of teams but it is what it is and the outcome was fair.
 
Wasn't much of a "race"... this track is garbage for passing. Both Hamilton and Alonso had their front wings underneath the Renault's in the corner preceding the backstraight.

Interestingly Schumacher seems to have regained some pace considering he out qualified Rosberg in the last two races
 
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A couple of sites were reporting this morning that he was going to lose his hand/arm. Good that it's been upgraded, sort of.
 
That's a damn shame, he will never heal up in time for the start of the season.

Hey what ever happened to Kimi R.? I know he's a sour little pric but I loved his driving style.
 

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