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Enough of COVID...what are you doing to the house?

Thanks for the vote of confidence @GreyGhost and @Scuba Steve.

Guess the steps are easy:
- remove chimneys + roof
- remove existing framing
- install supports on the existing structure
- plywood on floor
- build walls
- setup walls

And now the REALLY hard part...
- frame the roof
- plywood the roof
- shingle the roofs (may as well do the other one at the same time)

Easy peasy.

Then:
- rough in electrical, plumbing and HVAC

button it up, and save the money for the divorce.
Where was the ensure existing structure is strong enough to support the added load and modify if required step? Theoretically, you may be adding enough additional load that you should be dropping new columns to new footings. I don't do structural. I assume almost nobody does that even if the math says to (and I don't know what he math says). I guess another important step is what drawings does the city want for permit. Do you need a signed/stamped structural before you begin?
 
Actual carpenters are papered ( union guys ) but a General contractor needs nothing , that’s why there are so many general contractors around.
You do need drawings if structural and a permit and then an inspection, but any trained monkey can hammer the nails in.


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Yes, the drawings would include structural, electrical, HVAC and plumbing for everyone to ensure that it's all safe and looked at.

So far everyone I've talked to stated that the structure can support it (neighbours that did additions, and my architect / structural guy) but no one's actually looked at the wall, tested it, or looked at the as-built drawings...as they don't exist. Mississauga only keeps them for 7 years...house was built in 1956-1958.

If I need to start dropping new footings / additional support members down into the ground...this job is dead in the water lol.

@crankcall a trained monkey can def hit a nail in the proper spot (I'm that monkey!) but someone also needs to put up and hold that wall in place. Same as for roofing structure.

Basically I need to drop 10k just to get drawings. Then whether I go ahead, or not, 10k is done and gone. But with 10k I can actually get contractors to start quoting it. Until that's done...it's all pie in the sky.

I'll be reaching out to some companies so if anyone has builder recommendations...please share!
 
Anyone know if I need a 'trade certificate' to frame the new support in our main living room? Same goes for framing the second story?

Does this need to be done by a 'trade carpenter' or similar to what @backmarkerducati indicated with electrical where the work can be done by the homeowner but needs to be inspected regardless by the proper authority?

Anyone I've talked to about my projects are NOT interested because they're too 'small' of a job.

Second story addition...too small so pay me for almost a full house so that it's worth my time.

Removal of chimney...too small so pay me more so it's worth my while.

Have run into this with plumbers also. Everyone feels this is too small for them to bother. But if they come, you pay 4x just for them to show up.

EDIT: Hell maybe it's better to find a framing / roofing company on my own to do this instead of going with bigger builders that aren't interested.
Just IMO but the only thing you can't do to your own house is gas connections. Permits are required of course.

The only thing I didn't do myself was install the new breaker panel. I applied for the permit (Pre ESA) and an electrician buddy helped. All done by permit.

Kitchen moved to another level of the side-split

Re-ran ducts

Added inside door to garage.

Bathroom where the old kitchen was

Bigger dining room

Added a stair

Re-structured the rear wall including doing the bricks

What is small?

A few years ago it was "We don't quote jobs under $10 K. We show up, do the job and you pay whatever the amount."

That may have doubled or worse.

I was talking to a tile guy in the last recession and they were keeping their heads above water with small jobs. They were still getting them because they didn't snub them when times were booming.

In my case I did the drawings and got the permits. If I wanted to sub anything out it was to my choosing. That was before CAD. Now the right person can walk you through the addition before the first hammer blow hits the plaster, right down to the colour of the paint.

If you had accurate drawings you could do a mental dry run of the procedure that would get you a weather-tight enclosure. After that you DIY or sub at your discretion.

Supply chain or lack thereof is a big issue today. A few months down the road??????

Shingles, OSB, nails can be stored in a garage but will the prices be better in X months when you need them?

Dimensional lumber tends to warp when sitting. I buy as needed.

Windows are slow in coming but you don't need them all at once. Frame the opening and sheet over them. Cut in and install when needed. Leave a big one out for the drywall to be lifted in.

Sticks or trusses would be a factor for me. Trusses have advantages but I can cut and assemble sticks on my own schedule and wouldn't need a crane.

Good drawings are an investment. Your drawings, your control. You don't want to hear "Oops" or "S**t" after the plaster comes down.

For some reason this reminds me of the guy with frosted up windows at a gas station. The attendant offered to sell him a scraper for $20.

Guy: "I don't have any cash on me"

Attendant: "Use your credit card"

Guy: "Good idea" and he proceeds to scrape his windows with his credit card.
 
Thanks for that @nobbie48! Our houses are very similar so you know how it would look and what's involved.

It may be a good idea to just get the drawings, and then shop around. Just need that damn frame. I can handle the rest (possibly even that)!

I can take a few months off with parental leave and do the work then.

This is all most likely just dreaming lol. I'm sure I can get the framing and roofing done for less than 150k.
 
Thanks for that @nobbie48! Our houses are very similar so you know how it would look and what's involved.

It may be a good idea to just get the drawings, and then shop around. Just need that damn frame. I can handle the rest (possibly even that)!

I can take a few months off with parental leave and do the work then.

This is all most likely just dreaming lol. I'm sure I can get the framing and roofing done for less than 150k.

We are getting used to stuff that can't be fixed or are worth fixing. TV's, cell phones, computers, cameras etc. Throw it out and buy a new one. It's easy to get thinking that way about a house.

Don't take the first offer. Consider sweat equity, calling in favours, pierogy bribes, beer equity.
 
For some reason this reminds me of the guy with frosted up windows at a gas station. The attendant offered to sell him a scraper for $20.

Guy: "I don't have any cash on me"

Attendant: "Use your credit card"

Guy: "Good idea" and he proceeds to scrape his windows with his credit card.
If someone tried to sell me a scraper for $20, I would be using my card to clean the glass too.
 
We are getting used to stuff that can't be fixed or are worth fixing. TV's, cell phones, computers, cameras etc. Throw it out and buy a new one. It's easy to get thinking that way about a house.

Don't take the first offer. Consider sweat equity, calling in favours, pierogy bribes, beer equity.
No limoncello gifts until they are in the driveway on the way to the next persons house.
 
I tried. The guy I trust is booking late 2023 and tries not to do jobs in Mississauga as he is located closer to MM.
Hell 2023 works out even better for me in all honesty! Get my stuff in a row now.

Baby #3 comes in May, so not like it's my preference to have full on construction in 2022. 2023 to 2024 works for me. It'll be a while that the kid sleeps in our room anyway in a bassinet.
 
Hell 2023 works out even better for me in all honesty! Get my stuff in a row now.

Baby #3 comes in May, so not like it's my preference to have full on construction in 2022. 2023 to 2024 works for me. It'll be a while that the kid sleeps in our room anyway in a bassinet.
Some Ukrainian friends used a kielbasa box as a bassinet. The trouble was you couldn't tell if the kid had pooped itself or not.
 
Hell 2023 works out even better for me in all honesty! Get my stuff in a row now.

Baby #3 comes in May, so not like it's my preference to have full on construction in 2022. 2023 to 2024 works for me. It'll be a while that the kid sleeps in our room anyway in a bassinet.
Get this book and read it. Piles of good information and it might help you determine if it's cost effective to go ahead. Of particular interest might be table 25 where it says what kind of studs can be used to support walls. For exterior walls "Roof with or without attic storage plus one floor" you can get away with 2X4 @ 16", or 2X6 @ 24". If you know what's in the wall, that would determine if the wall would need to be beefed up. Information archivée dans le Web | Information Archived on the Web

When I built my house I was allowed to do everything except gas (propane as I'm in the sticks) and had to have the electrical inspected by ESA. Everything else was just the local township inspector. It might be different where you live. I know there are a few other restrictions in Kingston proper.

Edit: For some reason my link changed to a generic one. the book is Canadian Wood-Frame House Construction. put out by the CMHC. L
 
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When I build the garage, it will be 99% me doing the work (I may form and prep the slab and hire a crew to pour/polish). I'm not sure how the building inspectors feel about homeowners doing their own structural work on a residence (although MP doing it would probably be better than 90% of the crap I have seen people pay for).
When I built my garage I did the forms, labored for the block workers, and contracted out the framing. I could have framed myself, it would have taken weeks -- I only had weekends and the framing was done in the winter. I used framers, 2 guys framed the building, sheathed the walls and roof, and installed windows and doors in 3 days. It cost a few thousand.

Building inspectors in my area were pricks, but helpful, and didn't seem too concerned that I was doing the work. The prick part was notifying the bylaw department I had a fire pit, and requesting changes to my approved plans at the time of inspection (made me dig footings 2'deeper along one side, add unnecessary studs where joists were ganged, and required guard railing in the loft room).
 
Building inspectors in my area were pricks, but helpful, and didn't seem too concerned that I was doing the work. The prick part was notifying the bylaw department I had a fire pit, and requesting changes to my approved plans at the time of inspection (made me dig footings 2'deeper along one side, add unnecessary studs where joists were ganged, and required guard railing in the loft room).
Mental note. Keep building inspectors out of the garage. The 3' high, 8' deep storage loft 9' above the floor with no railing will probably not be appreciated.
 
Yes, the drawings would include structural, electrical, HVAC and plumbing for everyone to ensure that it's all safe and looked at.

So far everyone I've talked to stated that the structure can support it (neighbours that did additions, and my architect / structural guy) but no one's actually looked at the wall, tested it, or looked at the as-built drawings...as they don't exist. Mississauga only keeps them for 7 years...house was built in 1956-1958.

If I need to start dropping new footings / additional support members down into the ground...this job is dead in the water lol.

@crankcall a trained monkey can def hit a nail in the proper spot (I'm that monkey!) but someone also needs to put up and hold that wall in place. Same as for roofing structure.

Basically I need to drop 10k just to get drawings. Then whether I go ahead, or not, 10k is done and gone. But with 10k I can actually get contractors to start quoting it. Until that's done...it's all pie in the sky.

I'll be reaching out to some companies so if anyone has builder recommendations...please share!
An architect will evaluate the structure. Most perimeter walls will be OK, they may beef up lintels over first floor windows and doors. Second story platforms are easier structure using TJI joists, again something your architect will consider.

As for drawings, you typically need a site plan, drawing of the existing structure, plumbing plan, drawing of the new structure, cross-section of exterior walls and roof. You also need a heat loss calculation for the whole building and HVAC plan. It's a good idea to include electrical -- but you only need that for ESA permit, not for the building permit. Roof truss supplier will give you a stamped drawing of the roof, it gets attached to your plan package. Drawings supplied by an architect will also spec structural materials and have any special structure detail and instructions.

Shop around on the drawings/design package. It's not rocket science, I'm sure you can find options in the 2-3K range if you're very specific on what your addition will be and stick with the same building envelope.
 
Thanks for that @nobbie48! Our houses are very similar so you know how it would look and what's involved.

It may be a good idea to just get the drawings, and then shop around. Just need that damn frame. I can handle the rest (possibly even that)!

I can take a few months off with parental leave and do the work then.

This is all most likely just dreaming lol. I'm sure I can get the framing and roofing done for less than 150k.
You thinking of doing all the work yourself?

Can't you just order roof framing and have it dropped off? Maybe even the other framing?
 
You thinking of doing all the work yourself?

Can't you just order roof framing and have it dropped off? Maybe even the other framing?
You can order trusses and have them dropped off. Bugger to get on the roof though unless you have a crane. Prefab walls in a retrofit are asking for problems imo. As he will be opening up the roof above finished space, I would probably pay for help to get back to watertight as quickly as possible. One solid rain while open and he will be way behind financially.
 
You thinking of doing all the work yourself?

Can't you just order roof framing and have it dropped off? Maybe even the other framing?
I wish. But it’s practically impossible.

All I really want is:
- remove roof
- reinforce
- new framing
- new roof
- new windows

That will effectively lock in and protect the inside. I can do the rest.
 
You can order trusses and have them dropped off. Bugger to get on the roof though unless you have a crane. Prefab walls in a retrofit are asking for problems imo. As he will be opening up the roof above finished space, I would probably pay for help to get back to watertight as quickly as possible. One solid rain while open and he will be way behind financially.
When my neighbour was building his house installed the roof truss's the same day it was delivered, using the crane on the truck.
Yea probably retro fit not great idea.
Need to find some Newfie contractors, those guys know how to build houses.
 
When my neighbour was building his house installed the roof truss's the same day it was delivered, using the crane on the truck.
Yea probably retro fit not great idea.
Need to find some Newfie contractors, those guys know how to build houses.
I was hoping for Polaks...but they all quadrupled their pricing!
 

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