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Elephant in the Covid room

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PrivatePilot said:
Red herring argument.

Answer my question, don't try to change the topic.
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You quoted one sentence out of my whole post. I did answer your question .
 
Superveloce said:
people die all the time for many reasons. What do you suggest we do with the millions upon millions who will die from the shutdowns , border closures amd lockdowns. There are estimates in the millions of people dying around the world from starvation alone due to COVID restrictions and lockdowns . Add in all the other lockdown fallout deaths and you are way higher than the COVID death toll. Are you only concerned about humans you know or humans in general? If the goal was to save lives ,around the world everywhere, there should never have been lockdowns or restrictions. Here is a link for you ...

www.internationalaffairs.org.au

Most Read of 2020: Lockdowns Could Kill More People Than COVID-19 - Australian Institute of International Affairs

There has been a remarkable lack of observed statistical difference in the rates of death for countries, and for US states, that have and have not locked down. An assessment of the models used to project different scenarios must be evaluated relative to the lived reality.
www.internationalaffairs.org.au

and another :

COVID-related hunger could kill more people than the virus | UN Global Compact

unglobalcompact.org unglobalcompact.org
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I can’t seriously believe we are still having these conversations after all this time and after all that we can see as plain evidence of what happens in front of our eyes all over the world.

At this point in time if you’re not following advice you’re part of the problem, not the solution.
 
Superveloce said:
You quoted one sentence out of my whole post. I did answer your question .
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No, you didn't. You did a whataboutism.

Do you propose we just abandon everything we're doing right now and allow the hospitals to get so overwhelmed with covid patients that they can't function anymore?

Or do you propose we just tell people with Covid to stay home and suffocate to death in their beds so that doesn't happen?

So, just answer the question. What would you do?

Or do you have some other magic solution?

Or are you of the small but naive percentage of people who still think this is all some fake conspiracy and it's "just a cold"?
 
PrivatePilot said:
No, you didn't. You did a whataboutism.

Do you propose we just abandon everything we're doing right now and allow the hospitals to get so overwhelmed that they can't function anymore?

Or do you propose we just tell people to stay home and suffocate to death in their beds so that doesn't happen?

So, just answer the question. What would you do?

Or do you have some other magic solution?

Or are you of the small but naive percentage of people who still think this is all some fake conspiracy and it's "just a cold"?
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aaaaand the gloves are off.
 
Evoex said:
aaaaand the gloves are off.
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Yup. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the small percentage of people who have these delusions that we should just throw our hands up in the air and "get back to normal", but don't seem to be coherently able to process that there's very real consequences to that action.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Yup. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the small percentage of people who have these delusions that we should just throw our hands up in the air and "get back to normal", but don't seem to be coherently able to process that there's very real consequences to that action.
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I can't put into words how exasperating its been over the past year when you hear "but the hospitals are empty". You start off thinking, okay you`re uninformed but then you realize they simply aren't ready to absorb what you`re saying. I gave up, even amongst friends.
 
Wingboy said:
Do people need to see piles of corpses to get it thru their heads?
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tell them to watch news coverage of Brazil. that's what no lockdowns and an anti vaccine head of state nets you.

This tune sounds familiar..
 
george__ said:
And no mandatory wfh

Wtf
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actually i watched one of the ministers, he looked right in the camera and said "employers, if your employees can work from home then need to be at home. we won't be warning you again."
 
Evoex said:
actually i watched one of the ministers, he looked right in the camera and said "employers, if your employees can work from home then need to be at home. we won't be warning you again."
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Back to pp's argument of telling a kid they have to the count of three and then counting to 10 five times before giving them dessert. How about if they are found to be out of compliance any provincial help they received is clawed back in full?
 
Evoex said:
actually i watched one of the ministers, he looked right in the camera and said "employers, if your employees can work from home then need to be at home. we won't be warning you again."
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Yeah, and watch....zero enforcement.

All the rules on the face of the planet aren't going to convince the ignorant amongst society to change a thing unless there's actually consequences to their actions.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Yeah, and watch....zero enforcement.

All the rules on the face of the planet aren't going to convince the ignorant amongst society to change a thing unless there's actually consequences to their actions.
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Big anti-mask protest in Barrie tomorrow. Historically no enforcement. Police have warned them to stay home. My money says protesters will call their bluff. Between the police hesitancy to write tickets and what I expect to be the courts dismissing them all, there is no hammer for those that choose to ignore the rules.
 
ifiddles said:
from Waterloo Regional Police saying they will not be conducting random vehicle stops...

www.wrps.on.ca

WRPS Response to New Provincial COVID-19 Regulations

WRPS Response to New Provincial COVID-19 Regulations
www.wrps.on.ca www.wrps.on.ca
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So the message from Waterloo police is go out and do anything you want- we don't care, kinda backwards thinking eh.

Lets see if they change their tune when torontonians start hanging out in the region.
 
Jayv said:
So the message from Waterloo police is go out and do anything you want- we don't care, kinda backwards thinking eh.

Lets see if they change their tune when torontonians start hanging out in the region.
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They already are to visit Fergus, Elmira and st, Jacobs
 
GreyGhost said:
Big anti-mask protest in Barrie tomorrow. Historically no enforcement. Police have warned them to stay home. My money says protesters will call their bluff. Between the police hesitancy to write tickets and what I expect to be the courts dismissing them all, there is no hammer for those that choose to ignore the rules.
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i was thinking about this today.

The fine thing is a joke; you'll ticket me all day for 10 over the limit but someone who threatens my health gets to walk. I think someone posted something similar here earlier.

So then that begs the question, why bother to issue tickets. If they are gonna get thrown out due to backlogs anyways and potentially Charter challenges, just don't even bother. Make it an arrest able offense and let people spend a night in the slammer. That should go further to dissuading the idiots.
 
GreyGhost said:
Big anti-mask protest in Barrie tomorrow. Historically no enforcement. Police have warned them to stay home. My money says protesters will call their bluff. Between the police hesitancy to write tickets and what I expect to be the courts dismissing them all, there is no hammer for those that choose to ignore the rules.
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why are they protesting masks...wtf..
 
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