Elephant in the Covid room

[Superveloce]

yes and no.

stuck with this? yep.

deaths from covid are not the problem and have not been the problem. stopping the people from going to the hospital is the problem, this will only happen when infection rates go down.

If people going to the hospital is the problem then they should’ve spent all the money on expanding capacity in the last 12 months not on throwing money around so people can sit at home watching Netflix and smoking weed under the guise of work from home.Once you get people used to being fed cows they will never go back to regular life. It takes a maximum of two weeks to 90 days to develop a habit and we are on 14 months of this sit on our ass getting handed money

 

[bakaboy]

I just retyped essential work letters.

To Whom It May Concern

Section XX and XX
Essential infrastructure work
Allow to freely travel unencumbered
Blah blah blah

Hopefully they are never needed but they are in every automobile.

 

[POWERMAN]

Ford calling on federal to tighten border. Lol

I don't get it....why are they still allowing international flights inbound on a daily basis?

Arrivals

Find Toronto airport arrivals for Pearson Airport and see flight details including flight status. A list of flights arriving today and tomorrow.

www.torontopearson.com

Didn't New Zealand and Israel (iirc) fare better when they shutdown borders for sometime?

 

[Wingboy]

I don't get it....why are they still allowing international flights inbound on a daily basis?

Arrivals

Find Toronto airport arrivals for Pearson Airport and see flight details including flight status. A list of flights arriving today and tomorrow.

www.torontopearson.com

Didn't New Zealand and Israel (iirc) fare better when they shutdown borders for sometime?

Because Trudeau's balls dropped off.

 

[GreyGhost]

Because Trudeau's balls dropped off.

He had some?

 

[Superveloce]

Because Trudeau's balls dropped off.

Yet if there was an election today he is in majority territory according to the polls. Once again the people get the government they deserve and they want

 

[bitzz]

The powers for police to pull people over and ask specifically why you're not home, etc is negligible. They can and do already pull you over for document checks,

Contrary to popular belief around here, Ontario police CANNOT arbitrarily pull drivers over for "document checks". This has been argued in court many many many times. Nope, contrary to your Canadian rights.
The police needed this so they CAN arbitrarily pull over drivers for "document checks".
This ALSO gives the cop the powers to demand identification from a passenger in the vehicle, which they aren't allowed to do in a traffic stop.

... now what the police have powers to do and what they ACTUALLY do are two different things....

I already hear arguments about RIDE spot checks.
Spot checks are different. They are pulling over ALL cars. They are treating ALL drivers the same.

 

[Evoex]

Contrary to popular belief around here, Ontario police CANNOT arbitrarily pull drivers over for "document checks". This has been argued in court many many many times. Nope, contrary to your Canadian rights.
The police needed this so they CAN arbitrarily pull over drivers for "document checks".
This ALSO gives the cop the powers to demand identification from a passenger in the vehicle, which they aren't allowed to do in a traffic stop.

... now what the police have powers to do and what they ACTUALLY do are two different things....

I already hear arguments about RIDE spot checks.
Spot checks are different. They are pulling over ALL cars. They are treating ALL drivers the same.

Disagree.

"They can't pull you over for racial profiling or just on a whim," said Ottawa criminal lawyer David Anber. "But they have a lot of latitude to say they're checking the licence, registration and insurance status, mechanical fitness of the vehicle or the sobriety of the driver."

In 1990, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled 5-4 that random traffic stops do not violate a person's Charter rights as long as police are checking for those three specific things.

"There's also a fourth category: if they've observed you committing an offence," Anber said. "And there's a whole variety of things they can nail you for."


In the Supreme Court case, police pulled over an Ontario driver. They didn't suspect he'd broken the law when they decided to pull him over. During the stop, they found that his licence was suspended.

There have been cases where it was ruled police had profiled drivers, Anber said. In 2003, an appeals judge held that race was a factor when police pulled over Toronto Raptor Dee Brown.

Can police legally pull me over just to check something?

Police ‘have a lot of latitude to say they’re checking the licence, registration and insurance status, mechanical fitness of the vehicle or the sobriety of the driver’

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[GreyGhost]

The clock is rapidly ticking for triage.

VIDEO: Surge in COVID cases forces pause on baby deliveries at Port Perry hospital

A surge in COVID-19 cases across Durham has prompted Lakeridge Health to temporarily halt baby deliveries at the Port Perry hospital to free up additional beds for acute-care patients.

www.durhamregion.com

https://www.facebook.com/ea75b50d-e215-4059-9cfc-1d851cffac5e

“It is with our deepest regrets that we have to announce today that effective immediately, we will be unable to provide obstetrical care at Lakeridge Health Port Perry for the next two weeks,”

“The main reason for this is the rising numbers of COVID-19 and the need to convert our labour and delivery ward to a ward for acute-care beds,”

As a result of the halt in obstetric services at Port Perry, those who are pregnant and expected to be cared for at the Scugog hospital will now be seen in Oshawa.

For those who go into labour and arrive at the Port Perry hospital, they will be redirected to Oshawa “assuming there is time,” added the Port Perry physician.

If a birth is “imminent,” then “obviously we will ensure that everything we need is in place to safely deliver a baby here in Lakeridge Health Port Perry.” But, added Dr. Gauster, postpartum care “will likely resume” at the Oshawa hospital.

 

[jdmsteR]

That changes things for me in that decision process. I don't want to end up in the hospital because some cager cut me off on a country road and get myself triaged into the back parking lot as "not likely to survive" because the hospital is overwhelmed already.

This is a very real concern of mine since this exact scenario happened to me in the fall. Cager cut me off at a 2 way stop intersection thinking it was a 4 way stop. Had to pull evasive maneuver into oncoming lane to avoid them. If they hadn't braked last minute I would have likely been into the side of their door or thrown over the hood. Only so much is in your control sometimes.

Think I may just stick to short rips around the area, and probably stop off at the liquor store on the way home...

 

[PrivatePilot]

Gonna pay a coyote to smuggle me into Montreal for some poutine.

Not gonna lie, a genuine Poutine in Quebec is the ****. Ask if there's room for 2.

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So if people believe this virus is going to go away, it isn't and you better get used to it just like you have gotten used to every other virus out there that you aren’t terrified of. This virus is still affecting only a very small portion of people,

So, theoretical question for you to answer.

Someone catches Covid and can't breathe. That's kinda reality now, and the entire reason we're where we are right now.

What do you suggest they do?

Assuming your answer is not "Well, I guess you'll just die", the next logical step is they go to a hospital, right?

Now you take a spill at work through no fault of your own (use your imagination here) and have an open fracture (IE, the bone is sticking out) and also have a head injury. An ambulance picks you up and rushes you to the hospital. But it's already full of Covid patients, so you're left sitting in the ER while your brain starts to swell from your head injury potentially causing you irreperable brain damage. And that open fracture is still bleeding everywhere and it's not going to fix itself.

But all the doctors and nurses are swamped trying to save all the covid patients.

So, what do you suggest we do? "Just live with it"?

I'll wait.

 

[Delboy]

The clock is rapidly ticking for triage.

VIDEO: Surge in COVID cases forces pause on baby deliveries at Port Perry hospital

A surge in COVID-19 cases across Durham has prompted Lakeridge Health to temporarily halt baby deliveries at the Port Perry hospital to free up additional beds for acute-care patients.

www.durhamregion.com

https://www.facebook.com/ea75b50d-e215-4059-9cfc-1d851cffac5e

“It is with our deepest regrets that we have to announce today that effective immediately, we will be unable to provide obstetrical care at Lakeridge Health Port Perry for the next two weeks,”

“The main reason for this is the rising numbers of COVID-19 and the need to convert our labour and delivery ward to a ward for acute-care beds,”

As a result of the halt in obstetric services at Port Perry, those who are pregnant and expected to be cared for at the Scugog hospital will now be seen in Oshawa.

For those who go into labour and arrive at the Port Perry hospital, they will be redirected to Oshawa “assuming there is time,” added the Port Perry physician.

If a birth is “imminent,” then “obviously we will ensure that everything we need is in place to safely deliver a baby here in Lakeridge Health Port Perry.” But, added Dr. Gauster, postpartum care “will likely resume” at the Oshawa hospital.

When I first read the headline I had visions of people trying to hold it in... LOL. Much worse than being stuck in traffic after a large bran muffin and a big coffee

 

[Jayv]

Will commute to and from work on the bike, and then park it. Typically only use two wheels to commute so not a big deal for me. Would not like to be caught out in cottage country riding around, I would suspect the local detachment will not be very happy and could start writing endless tickets for two wheel infractions.

 

[Superveloce]

Not gonna lie, a genuine Poutine in Quebec is the ****. Ask if there's room for 2.

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So, theoretical question for you to answer.

Someone catches Covid and can't breathe. That's kinda reality now, and the entire reason we're where we are right now.

What do you suggest they do?

Assuming your answer is not "Well, I guess you'll just die", the next logical step is they go to a hospital, right?

Now you take a spill at work through no fault of your own (use your imagination here) and have an open fracture (IE, the bone is sticking out) and also have a head injury. An ambulance picks you up and rushes you to the hospital. But it's already full of Covid patients, so you're left sitting in the ER while your brain starts to swell from your head injury potentially causing you irreperable brain damage. And that open fracture is still bleeding everywhere and it's not going to fix itself.

But all the doctors and nurses are swamped trying to save all the covid patients.

So, what do you suggest we do? "Just live with it"?

I'll wait.

people die all the time for many reasons. What do you suggest we do with the millions upon millions who will die from the shutdowns , border closures amd lockdowns. There are estimates in the millions of people dying around the world from starvation alone due to COVID restrictions and lockdowns . Add in all the other lockdown fallout deaths and you are way higher than the COVID death toll. Are you only concerned about humans you know or humans in general? If the goal was to save lives ,around the world everywhere, there should never have been lockdowns or restrictions. Here is a link for you ...

Most Read of 2020: Lockdowns Could Kill More People Than COVID-19 - Australian Institute of International Affairs

There has been a remarkable lack of observed statistical difference in the rates of death for countries, and for US states, that have and have not locked down. An assessment of the models used to project different scenarios must be evaluated relative to the lived reality.

www.internationalaffairs.org.au

and another :

COVID-related hunger could kill more people than the virus | UN Global Compact

unglobalcompact.org

 

[POWERMAN]

What is the meaning of Triage?
Like some crazy lockdown or something?

 

[Superveloce]

What is the meaning of Triage?
Like some crazy lockdown or something?

It means determining who needs care the most based on life expectancy and only treating those people while letting others die . Instead of trying to save everyone

 

[ToSlow]

My wife is booked for the 27th and I’m booked for the 29th

 

[Evoex]

What is the meaning of Triage?
Like some crazy lockdown or something?

Maybe you saw it in a war movie and didn’t realize it. The medics go around to the guys on the stretchers and say “this one critical to surgery, this guys okay, this guy won’t make it.”

 

[POWERMAN]

Maybe you saw it in a war movie and didn’t realize it. The medics go around to the guys on the stretchers and say “this one critical to surgery, this guys okay, this guy won’t make it.”

oh wow...

Ok - that is not good!

 

[GreyGhost]

oh wow...

Ok - that is not good!

The preliminary plan (afaik not yet finalized) was in stage one if you had a 30% chance of living for the next year, you dont get life saving measure attempted. Phase two was 50%. Phase 3 was 70%. Phase four abandoned percentages and an administrator at the hospital points at ambulance and picks who lives and who dies.