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ToSlow said:
I really don’t think the freedoms are being lost to wear a mask or get a vaccine. My problem is with the way this has been handled.
I don’t know what they could have done differently but that’s why the elected officials got positions in government to be able to figure this stuff out.
The questions I would would have is did we learn anything from this, and where do we go going forward.
Have they got data to show going ahead to try and avoid this type of problem with our system.
Or is the only focus going to be on economy gains?
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They had a full year to figure it out .

Use convention centers for temporary hospitals . The military build them in the field . It would be much easier to build them with water and electricity already there .

Take RN students and given them quick training to help run these temp hospitals along with regular nurses .

It takes if I recall correctly 6 to 8 months to train ICU nurses . The RN students can help in regular wards to assist the remaining nurses .

The governments are sitting on their hands relying on lockdowns and questionable vaccines .

We are here fighting each other over mask wearing and who is right about statistics . The government loves this . It takes the pressure off their failures .

There is so much that could have been done . But our incompetent government and media distracts people with BS .
 
Brian P said:
Our current (7-day avg from Worldometers) death rate of about 35 deaths per day in the country (1 per day per million residents) reflects number of cases per day about a month ago (~3000 per day).

USA current death rate of about 773 deaths per day in the country (2.3 per day per million residents) reflects number of cases per day about a month ago (~58,000 per day).

They're not exactly in good shape, despite the higher vaccination rate.

Hopefully, vaccination in both countries disconnects the death rate from the infection rate.
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I would say the States are in a lot better shape than us. They are vaccinating over three million a day. And not running out of the vaccine
 
ToSlow said:
I would say the States are in a lot better shape than us. They are vaccinating over three million a day. And not running out of the vaccine
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But they're STILL having more cases, and more deaths, per million citizens, than we are.

If current trends continue, that is likely to swap in a couple of weeks, but as of right now ... they're sicker than we are, continuing the trend that has persisted through the entire pandemic.

What will be more interesting is what happens in the longer term, after vaccinations have plateaued. The USA is probably a month from that happening, we may be two months from that happening. I expect that our plateaued vaccination rate will be higher than theirs - and that means their long drawn-out tail of this pandemic will be worse than ours.
 
Brian P said:
But they're STILL having more cases, and more deaths, per million citizens, than we are.

If current trends continue, that is likely to swap in a couple of weeks, but as of right now ... they're sicker than we are, continuing the trend that has persisted through the entire pandemic.

What will be more interesting is what happens in the longer term, after vaccinations have plateaued. The USA is probably a month from that happening, we may be two months from that happening. I expect that our plateaued vaccination rate will be higher than theirs - and that means their long drawn-out tail of this pandemic will be worse than ours.
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John’s Hopkins reports 81000 new cases in the US yesterday and that’s despite vaccinations and that is disturbing.
 
Brian P said:
But they're STILL having more cases, and more deaths, per million citizens, than we are.

If current trends continue, that is likely to swap in a couple of weeks, but as of right now ... they're sicker than we are, continuing the trend that has persisted through the entire pandemic.

What will be more interesting is what happens in the longer term, after vaccinations have plateaued. The USA is probably a month from that happening, we may be two months from that happening. I expect that our plateaued vaccination rate will be higher than theirs - and that means their long drawn-out tail of this pandemic will be worse than ours.
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And if you look at population density in hotspots it makes sense.
 
Seen reports of a few businesses opening despite the lockdowns but I don’t think they thought this through. Restaurants are having their food preparation licenses pulled. They may have a few loyal customers that provide some temporary relief but the wider community will remember any business that defied orders and put the wider community at risk. I can’t see it ending well for them at all.
 
Brian P said:
From way back at the beginning of this pandemic, the spread of a virus depends on two factors:
1. How dense the population is, and ...
2. How dense the population is.
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I guess from points this is a people problem for not complying to government orders ,nothing to do with government failures?
Brian without the vaccines this will not come to and end, lockdown is a device ,masks are a device

We need vaccines, and that is on the government, not the people
 
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jc100 said:
Seen reports of a few businesses opening despite the lockdowns but I don’t think they thought this through. Restaurants are having their food preparation licenses pulled. They may have a few loyal customers that provide some temporary relief but the wider community will remember any business that defied orders and put the wider community at risk. I can’t see it ending well for them at all.
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In BC, they pulled the liquor license of a few that weren't playing along. That is even worse. Basically that seals their fate. After that, I don't think they can sell their war chest of booze so their main asset becomes useless.
 
ToSlow said:
How we as a country, province let ourselves get to this point?

How did the hospitals let themselves get to this point?
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Health funds are squandered and contracts given to groups connected to govt. Even though we pay more then almost any other developed country for Healthcare, the only oecd countries we are above in hospital beds per 1000 residents are Turkey, Chile and Mexico...

OECD Countries By Hospital Beds


And ontario is worst in canada... when it comes to acute care beds.

Root causes​

The number of acute care hospital beds in Ontario has stayed effectively the same for 20 years, at around 20,000 while the province's population has grown by three million people. Ontario now has fewer acute care hospital beds per capita than any other province: 1.4 beds for every 1,000 people. That's on par with Mexico, and half the number in the U.S.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...medicine-healthcare-beyond-capacity-1.5420434
 
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Tory got AZ today. I will say that I applaud him, Douggie and CE for going with AZ to try to turn down some of the crazy. Although CE was some weird theatre where she got the shot and then right after gave her a fake shot for the camera. That is suspicious and seems unnecessary.
 
Police in Alberta had enough of full church's, they barricaded it! Awesome.
Why can't Ontario do it in Waterloo, Leamington and Aylmer?
 
jc100 said:
Our ICU in Kingston is full....and none of the patients there are from Kingston. They are mostly from the GTA. Sick kids hospitals in Toronto and Ottawa are also now taking in adult COVID patients.

One of the drugs used on very sick patients is being limited as there are short supplies.

This is worse than it’s been.
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Sick kids has 8 Covid icu beds available if needed and a full staff trained for Covid icu care. The beds are empty, they are available to patients up to 40years old.

Seems like a reasonable use of resources. Trained staff and empty beds should not be wasted if needed, no kids have got sick enough to need them.
 
Mad Mike said:
Sick kids has 8 Covid icu beds available if needed and a full staff trained for Covid icu care. The beds are empty, they are available to patients up to 40years old.

Seems like a reasonable use of resources. Trained staff and empty beds should not be wasted if needed, no kids have got sick enough to need them.
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Sick kids has already taken Covid patients, saw it yesterday i believe.
 
Evoex said:
Sick kids has already taken Covid patients, saw it yesterday i believe.
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They have taken children with Covid all along. No adults, and I don’t believe any kids with Covid needed an ICU.

The 8 beds they opened for adults are a last resort option, only if the province runs out of Covid icu beds at other hospitals.
 
GreyGhost said:
Tory got AZ today. I will say that I applaud him, Douggie and CE for going with AZ to try to turn down some of the crazy. Although CE was some weird theatre where she got the shot and then right after gave her a fake shot for the camera. That is suspicious and seems unnecessary.
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I guess the heard about the Viagra like side effects of the AZ jab.
 
jc100 said:
John’s Hopkins reports 81000 new cases in the US yesterday and that’s despite vaccinations and that is disturbing.
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This video does not contain much that we don't already know. But ... read the comments. Brutal.

Florida: Many long-term care staffers refused the vaccine. Now they have more infections than residents.

Brutal.

US military says a third of troops opt out of being vaccinated, but the numbers suggest it's more (sorry for CNN link but it cites its sources)

The Americans will be dealing with this for a long time.

I know we have issues, too. I hope we can do better.
 
Wingboy said:
Police in Alberta had enough of full church's, they barricaded it! Awesome.
Why can't Ontario do it in Waterloo, Leamington and Aylmer?
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Yes then take them to reeducation camps . That will teach them .
 
ToSlow said:
I guess from points this is a people problem for not complying to government orders ,nothing to do with government failures?
Brian without the vaccines this will not come to and end, lockdown is a device ,masks are a device

We need vaccines, and that is on the government, not the people
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It is all on the government . You have a drama teacher as a PM, you have a journalist as DPM and you have graphic artists as Health Minister . They whined about racisms and left the borders open to the hot spots . In fact the planes from China never stopped . They sent our PPE to China at the start of the pandemic . When vaccines were announced JT waited for over 3 months for the Chinese vaccine . Instead of getting inline to get vaccines from other sources . By the time China said no . We were at the back of the line . Now Canada is going against manufacturers instruction and spreading the shots to 4 months instead of the required 21/28 days . Just to look good with the numbers on TV .

Yet the the Liberals are still high in the polls . In fact there is talk of a majority .

To think about it now . Blame the people who put JT and his screw in charge they are the people to blame .
 
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