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The US isn’t looking too bad but it’s still not all rosy there either.

US daily new cases are on an up-trend. They're a month ahead of us on vaccinations, so the up trend is nowhere near as pronounced as what we have, but it is definitely increasing.

On the news today, it was indicated that in Ontario, ~70% of new cases are variants.

The USA doesn't seem to be doing much screening for variants, but I have little doubt that it would be similar there, if they were testing for it.
 
Self-correcting problem that has the bonus of wiping out a bunch of the anti-science ostrich-head-in-the-sand crowd before the next election.

Sad. But that's the way I see this happening.

I'm fine with that. If you're dumb enough to take your chances with the horn and end up getting gored, you're no longer a vector issue for me.
 
I don't care much of the final outcome of the science deniers and anti maskers
I do care about them ending up taking a bed in ICU that an unfortunate victim could use, the potential they are spreaders and cost of keeping them alive when things go pear shaped.

Like all problems , they wont go quitely
 
US daily new cases are on an up-trend. They're a month ahead of us on vaccinations, so the up trend is nowhere near as pronounced as what we have, but it is definitely increasing.

On the news today, it was indicated that in Ontario, ~70% of new cases are variants.

The USA doesn't seem to be doing much screening for variants, but I have little doubt that it would be similar there, if they were testing for it.

They're increasing the sequencing for variant detection, but they still pale in comparison to us. And we pale in comparison to other countries yet again for that matter...but we're doing not bad.

The explanation for why the USA is doing so much better than us though, despite variant spread that's likely happening there but not detected, remains a bit of a mystery to me, especially in the face of the fact many of the southern states have effectively given up on everything covid protection related - IE, Texas, Florida, et al. The only thing possibilities I see are:

- They hit herd immunity through sheer infection volume as well as the vaccination levels on top of that
- The weather. As we saw here in Ontario last summer, when the weather was hot and humid, our numbers plumeted despite many people throwing caution to the wind.

Look only as far as many of the northern US States like Michigan and NY for 2 examples - they're having the same issues as we are despite their higher vaccination rate, and in the case of NY at least, a far better adherance to covid guidelines.

What's left? The fact it's still cold and crappy in the north versus warm and sunny in the south already.

But yes, they are on an uptick for sure. It'll be interesting to see if they escape a 3rd wave that we're now getting. Super spreader events like the baseball game earlier this week should tell the tale in a few weeks.
 
Look only as far as many of the northern US States like Michigan and NY for 2 examples - they're having the same issues as we are despite their higher vaccination rate, and in the case of NY at least, a far better adherance to covid guidelines.

What's left? The fact it's still cold and crappy in the north versus warm and sunny in the south already.

Same but not same same as catching the run of the mill flu here. You can catch it in the summer, but next to no one does.
 
I don't care much of the final outcome of the science deniers and anti maskers
I do care about them ending up taking a bed in ICU that an unfortunate victim could use, the potential they are spreaders and cost of keeping them alive when things go pear shaped.

Like all problems , they wont go quitely
Dreamland, but if someone was found to have been a contributor to the spread (Anti mask or anti social distancing ) it would be recorded on their health card. If beds were in short supply they would be pushed onto a gurney and left in the hall. As it now stands a 25 YO gets to push the cautious 65 year old into the hall.
 
How we as a country, province let ourselves get to this point?

How did the hospitals let themselves get to this point?
 
The explanation for why the USA is doing so much better than us though, despite variant spread that's likely happening there but not detected, remains a bit of a mystery to me, especially in the face of the fact many of the southern states have effectively given up on everything covid protection related - IE, Texas, Florida, et al. The only thing possibilities I see are:

- They hit herd immunity through sheer infection volume as well as the vaccination levels on top of that
- The weather. As we saw here in Ontario last summer, when the weather was hot and humid, our numbers plumeted despite many people throwing caution to the wind.

Our current (7-day avg from Worldometers) death rate of about 35 deaths per day in the country (1 per day per million residents) reflects number of cases per day about a month ago (~3000 per day).

USA current death rate of about 773 deaths per day in the country (2.3 per day per million residents) reflects number of cases per day about a month ago (~58,000 per day).

They're not exactly in good shape, despite the higher vaccination rate.

Hopefully, vaccination in both countries disconnects the death rate from the infection rate.
 
How we as a country, province let ourselves get to this point?

How did the hospitals let themselves get to this point?

Playing the blame game doesn't help the situation going forward.

"Failure to do what needed to be done" - be it due to political correctness, or economic consequences, or general public using and believing inappropriate sources of information - is how we got to where we are now. And it's more-or-less the same in the rest of the world.
 
That is not wrong ... Do you have a link for where you found that? (Needs to be shared elsewhere)
 
This is overly flowery, and a bit pithy but it’s a sentiment that rings true.

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I know a few amazing nurses that couldn't handle ICU anymore. They have enough left in the tank that they have switched to jobs in public health but they are still running down. They may do a career change once they help us get through this mess.
 
I know a few amazing nurses that couldn't handle ICU anymore. They have enough left in the tank that they have switched to jobs in public health but they are still running down. They may do a career change once they help us get through this mess.
I know a few years ago some nurses became truck drivers
 
I know a few amazing nurses that couldn't handle ICU anymore. They have enough left in the tank that they have switched to jobs in public health but they are still running down. They may do a career change once they help us get through this mess.

They posted a picture in Kingston yesterday of an Ornge Helicopter arriving with a COVID patient and then just across the road 100s of Queen's students lounging about in large groups on the grass by the lake. One anesthesiologist who was there said it was heartbreaking.
 
They posted a picture in Kingston yesterday of an Ornge Helicopter arriving with a COVID patient and then just across the road 100s of Queen's students lounging about in large groups on the grass by the lake. One anesthesiologist who was there said it was heartbreaking.
Grrr. Surely Orng was carrying enough fuel to hover away from the helipad for a while after takeoff while they planned their journey :/
 
I really don’t think the freedoms are being lost to wear a mask or get a vaccine. My problem is with the way this has been handled.
I don’t know what they could have done differently but that’s why the elected officials got positions in government to be able to figure this stuff out.
The questions I would would have is did we learn anything from this, and where do we go going forward.
Have they got data to show going ahead to try and avoid this type of problem with our system.
Or is the only focus going to be on economy gains?
 
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