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Donald or Kamala?

Donald or Kamala?

  • Donald

    Votes: 18 51.4%

  • Kamala

    Votes: 17 48.6%
  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .
Mad Mike said:
That might be a nice thing if Joe stepped down and let Kamala play President for a few weeks -- like when Mulroney did for Kim Campbell.
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It would check the 'first female, black, indian, pro-everything President' box and we can finally put that one to bed. But in a few years people will just complain "it doesn't count since she wasn't elected". But let's not let something like an actual nomination get in the way of a good story.

The times we live in.
 
As the dust slowly settles, once he's inaugurated it will be fascinating to see if and how Trump tries to make his election promises come true.
I have my doubts that he can make any significant changes without equally disastrous consequences.
 
Evoex said:
I look forward to revisiting this conversation in 4 years. However, i would add; if you get all the criticism then you also get all the credit.

To your point, this was the Democrats election to lose. Perhaps a lot of them should be saying something similar for their policies/candidates.

So let me ask you this, as someone with that mindset; If a voter hypothetically voted Liberal in any election since 2015, would they not be contributing to feeding the machine? In Canada things took a hard left immediately and have shown no interest in going in any other direction.

I consider myself centre-right but i could just as easily go centre-left. However the inmates who escaped the asylum and are now sitting in government have a long way to get back to any semblance of 'middle', imo.
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Depends…if you make the argument “extreme left” or “extreme right” then yes, that feeds an unhealthy machine. I don’t think we have either yet in Canada. Things may be lurching that way though as we get even more tribal. Both parties are guilty of ridiculous rhetoric and antics rather than solid policy.

The whole point of most democratic governmental systems is to be able to sometimes reach a consensus on a contentious point and put it into action for the betterment of society. That involves compromise most often of one kind or another. More recently nearly everything in the US is about non-tolerance, no compromise, and scoring points politically. This is heading more toward an autocratic regime or a broken system rather than a democratic one.

I guess we will see soon enough. I will make one prediction now. Trump will not sort out Ukraine in 48h or whatever one of his ridiculous soundbites he threw out on the subject. He will make things way way worse there for Ukrainians though.
 
jc100 said:
No one gets a pass. No wars just doesn’t mean what you think it means if you set in motion a chain of events that makes the world a less safe place somewhere down the line. Trump did that as he has no clue about world affairs outside of his single digit IQ simple reasoning. Here it’s relevant to bring up the past because that gave the electorate a reason to think about the future with the same guy. Leopards/spots etc.

This pretty much wraps up why it seems a bunch of people have very short memories and are just plain dumb.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7413788673356975403

Sure Biden fluffed lines and lost his way and had a serious decline in abilities and had to step aside. Sure Harris wasn’t the best choice among Democrats (I think Buttegieg would have been great) but do they have anything like the train wreck of prior behaviour Trump has? “Making Libs cry” sure is going to be an expensive way of spending the next few years for Americans.

On the opposite side if the Republicans had fielded another candidate I think they’d have been more than a shoe-in and been able to unhitch themselves from the crazy train. I kind of long for the days when reasonable republicans existed such that meaningful progress could be made somewhere in the middle. As it is the poll of nations that approve of a Trump presidency is populated more or less uniquely by former or current eastern block dictatorships or hardline pro Russian states. That’s kind of telling.
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Suggestion: Don't advertise you got your civics education from TikTok.
 
jc100 said:
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The whole point of most democratic governmental systems is to be able to sometimes reach a consensus on a contentious point and put it into action for the betterment of society. That involves compromise most often of one kind or another.
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Not really. Here's another civics lesson:

The main goals of a democratic government is to make sure that power is vested in the people, and to protect their rights and their freedoms.

Betterment or society, compromise, and consensus are all nice things, but not specifically included in the 'whole point, or meaning of democracy.
 
Mad Mike said:
Suggestion: Don't advertise you got your civics education from TikTok.
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I hear Tik Tok works best for your average Trump voter as it’s those new fangled moving pictures in a short format as opposed to strings of big words which take time to read.
 
TK4 said:
As the dust slowly settles, once he's inaugurated it will be fascinating to see if and how Trump tries to make his election promises come true.
I have my doubts that he can make any significant changes without equally disastrous consequences.
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Looks like the Republicans will control the Senate, the House, and the POTUS.

Unless the GOP fractures, getting things done should be a slam dunk. The Democrats will be powerless to stop things for at least 2 years.
 
Mad Mike said:
Not really. Here's another civics lesson:

The main goals of a democratic government is to make sure that power is vested in the people, and to protect their rights and their freedoms.

Betterment or society, compromise, and consensus are all nice things, but not specifically included in the 'whole point, or meaning of democracy.
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You know very well that a functional democracy requires compromise at times. That’s a freebie from lessons of common sense.
 
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How anyone can blame anyone but the Democrats is delusional. Black, native, female, green, asexual whatever, that wasn't the problem for most voters, I believe. It's the stupidity of the woke agenda that she supports, her undeniably horrendous speeches, and following in the footsteps of someone that should have been removed years ago due to mental decline that did the Democrats in. A mannequin with a pull string in the back and a selection of 4 sentences could have beat Trump.
I don't like or defend Trump, nor most Republican ideologies for that matter, but I would still have voted for him before Harris. If you can't speak at all without a teleprompter, all I can see is a puppet.
 
jc100 said:
You know very well that a functional democracy requires compromise at times. That’s a freebie from lessons of common sense.
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It may, it may not.

With a majority, compromise is only inside the governing party. Without a majority, parties need to compromise.
 
So many statistics from this election it’s hard to know what to look at and where to lay blame etc.

I mean, Trump had the non-college educated vote apparently and then couple that with, there’s less college educated folk in the US than others. Weird. It’s almost as if you could state unequivocally that…..no, never mind.
 
What if you’re in a position where you need to work to reach a consensus but one party only works on “whatever they say block it”. Is that honestly a functional democracy in any way shape or form or are we in partisan hack country? That’s what we are seeing more of and that’s not sad, it’s pathetic regardless of who the instigator is.

Anyway. I’m out of this one now. I’m disappointed in people but very worried for the future of the Ukrainians who may pay in blood for this one.

But hey, my stocks are up momentarily.
Mad Mike said:
It may, it may not.

With a majority, compromise is only inside the governing party. Without a majority, parties need to compromise.
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jc100 said:
Depends…if you make the argument “extreme left” or “extreme right” then yes, that feeds an unhealthy machine. I don’t think we have either yet in Canada.
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What? We have people armed with swords and manchettes screaming for the Indian Army to invade Canada and attack Khalistani temples. We're WELL past the point of "these extremists might become a problem......maybe........a little.......sort of.......LoOk At ThIs NeW dEnTaL cArE pLaN!!!11.......for some of you.......with a co-pay"

 
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