90% of what you just said is what you said a few posts earlier.
Trying to make a point are we?!?!
Dallas sheriff makes up charge against biker on Memorial Day [video]
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90% of what you just said is what you said a few posts earlier.
Trying to make a point are we?!?!
redridernl
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The point isn't that he argued with the cop, although I thought the rider was fairly reasonable and polite given the circumstances. The point is that the cop had no reason to pull him over and took it too far with the way he treated him. Not to mention the arrest itself... a first year law student could get that thrown out.
awyala
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No sorry, I had updated it after the other poster made his comment so I figured he wouldn't see the response as it was back in the order, so I just c/p it after his point so he would see my response to him directly.
The rider was a straight up *******, but that's neither here nor there.
I'm much too lazy to look up Texas state law, but if it's like here the cops don't need a reason to pull you over. It's 100% legal to pull someone over just to check their documents or check for sobriety. The charge will probably be easily thrown out based on the video. My question is if the helmet and video were confiscated, how did that portion get released to the media? (To be clear, I don't doubt it was confiscated, just confused.)
Depending on state law that may or may not have been a legitimate seizure. The arrest and charge seem to be based on his attitude. My first post was based solely on the biker's video. Now that I saw the dashcam, the cop was actually trying to investigate specific crimes they witnessed, not saying "We're going to watch your video and look for crimes we didn't see"
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awyala
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So you're telling me if a crime goes down, and the cop lights them up to pull you over and asks for your recording of the crime, you would then be like "you're kidding me, what did I do wrong? You're kidding me, you're kidding me, no you can't have my camera cause I did nothing wrong".
Hmmmm, that would totally cheese a cop, and there really isn't any grounds to be that defiant. The cop wasn't charging him with anything, he merely just pulled him over and only asked for papers after buddy said the cop had no right to ask for his camera because he did nothing wrong.
Cop took it as buddy covering for his friend. And decided to nit pick and sure enough, 80% of us SS guys ride with illegal plate mods and the cop booked him. The cop found cause. Like I said, get all Jackie Chiles and you better make sure your ish is in order!
If you think that's the way to speak to a cop, get ready for hard times. If you think you can speak like that in court, get ready for hard times. This guy now needs to lawyer up and he should take notes on how to address cops and judges.
What he should have said, was "sorry officer but I don't understand my rights in this situation, have I committed an offence?" When not presented with an offence and asked for his camera, he should have replied "sorry officer but as I am unfamiliar with the particulars of the law, I am not in any position to know if I am legally obliged to hand over possible incriminating evidence or property, or if a legal order or subpeana is required first. I elect to first seek legal council and exercise my 5th amendment"....or something to that effect. Low, polite, submissive tones.
Those cops were perfectly reasonable in the way they addressed him initially and even through minor escalation of tone and wordage, they were quick to descalate back to civil and polite tones once the a$shat had been restrained. There was no abuse at all, other than the dismissive "shaddap" from one cop.
These cops could make this guy's life difficult and the guy is no help to himself either.
Hmmmm, that would totally cheese a cop, and there really isn't any grounds to be that defiant. The cop wasn't charging him with anything, he merely just pulled him over and only asked for papers after buddy said the cop had no right to ask for his camera because he did nothing wrong.
Cop took it as buddy covering for his friend. And decided to nit pick and sure enough, 80% of us SS guys ride with illegal plate mods and the cop booked him. The cop found cause. Like I said, get all Jackie Chiles and you better make sure your ish is in order!
If you think that's the way to speak to a cop, get ready for hard times. If you think you can speak like that in court, get ready for hard times. This guy now needs to lawyer up and he should take notes on how to address cops and judges.
What he should have said, was "sorry officer but I don't understand my rights in this situation, have I committed an offence?" When not presented with an offence and asked for his camera, he should have replied "sorry officer but as I am unfamiliar with the particulars of the law, I am not in any position to know if I am legally obliged to hand over possible incriminating evidence or property, or if a legal order or subpeana is required first. I elect to first seek legal council and exercise my 5th amendment"....or something to that effect. Low, polite, submissive tones.
Those cops were perfectly reasonable in the way they addressed him initially and even through minor escalation of tone and wordage, they were quick to descalate back to civil and polite tones once the a$shat had been restrained. There was no abuse at all, other than the dismissive "shaddap" from one cop.
These cops could make this guy's life difficult and the guy is no help to himself either.
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redridernl
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Agreed. So, pull him over and check his paper work. Maybe give him a ticket for an improperly mounted plate... Then let him go.
redridernl
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The cop didn't say "Good afternoon citizen. I believe you may have captured a crime in progress on your video camera, would it be okay if I reviewed the video?"
Also, neither you nor the rider have any idea what the cop's intentions were when he pulled him over.
awyala
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Watch the video again, both the cop and rider know what the confiscation was all about.
09SV650S
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FYI I wouldn't bother arguing with Awyala..... he has multiple education degrees and has experienced it all from the sounds of it. He will argue to the death with you.
Bottom line. The rider gets a decent lawyer and he'll make out like a bandit. The officer made huge mistakes on his road side tactics "no rights read, excessive force (door closing on his leg) etc...."
But what do we know
redridernl
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FYI I wouldn't bother arguing with Awyala..... he has multiple education degrees and has experienced it all from the sounds of it. He will argue to the death with you.
Bottom line. The rider gets a decent lawyer and he'll make out like a bandit. The officer made huge mistakes on his road side tactics "no rights read, excessive force (door closing on his leg) etc...."
But what do we know
I've met Awyala. He's a good guy, he just sees things his from his point of view and has strong opinions.
Regardless of what they knew or who was being an *******, trying to confiscate the camera without a warrant is illegal and the arrest was bogus.
awyala
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Bro hug!
redridernl
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No homo... not that there's anything wrong with that.
redridernl
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...and some people take it too far... but he should be disciplined and have to make a public apology. They way he tried to yank that helmet off... **shakes head**
Can someone tell me what the cop did wrong?
What I see is he pulled a guy over who had committed multiple violations, tried to arrest him, the rider tried to argue so the cop got physical. He also refused to take off his helmet when asked, so the cop got physical again. Then he refused to get in the back of the squad car (obviously the guy doesn't understand who's in charge) so the cop got physical again. Everything the cop did was justified as far as I can tell.
The guy was all like "I did not commit any crime" waa waa waa after being pulled over. I thought for a second there he was gonna call his mommy "heeeeeelp! heeeeeeeeelp!"
What I see is he pulled a guy over who had committed multiple violations, tried to arrest him, the rider tried to argue so the cop got physical. He also refused to take off his helmet when asked, so the cop got physical again. Then he refused to get in the back of the squad car (obviously the guy doesn't understand who's in charge) so the cop got physical again. Everything the cop did was justified as far as I can tell.
The guy was all like "I did not commit any crime" waa waa waa after being pulled over. I thought for a second there he was gonna call his mommy "heeeeeelp! heeeeeeeeelp!"
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Splash
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What are you talking about? He didn't commit ANY violation. What video where you watching?
The cop pulled over the first bike he could, demanded his camera. The rider refused (his right to do so). It should of ended there.
nesobriquet
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I'd be curious to know more about this crystal ball and the apparent ability to read it, you seem to have.
FYI, a guy who rides at the end of a pack with a helmet cam is more likely to be a techno geek than a ****-disturbing hooligan. I think the guy was genuinely shocked that the cop was pulling HIM over when there were so many other more valid suspects. He even put his hand out, while still riding and slowing, as much as to say, "are you sure it is ME you want?"
So many assumptions are always made by internet self-proclaimed psychics. Technically for all we know, that guy was minding his own business and was not part of that huge convoy, and didn't want the cop to see that he had done a rolling stop 10 minutes earlier..or whatever..certainly not anything that was deserved of how the cop decided to take the easy way out and since the hooligans would not stop for him then he decided to light up a guy who he thought would stop for him. Plus who you can be sure he already had the plate of..ironically enough given that was his first cheap-shot reason in the first place. But wait...he didn't announce that in the beginning did he? He said he wanted the helmet cam right from the get-go. If that cop did not see that rider do anything illegal, then this is a case of cop bullying and freely set aside the moral aspects of a properly justified road stop, because of wanting the vid cam as potential incriminating evidence to use on some of the others who were more of a threat on the roads. If I were a cop, would I be tempted to take the easy way out and condemn a guy such as this? Maybe, and maybe only if it was a last and I do mean LAST resort. And given how reserved the rider was in the beginning, I sure as HELL wouldn't be slamming the door on the guys leg. But then I wouldn't be a piece of **** bully cop like this ******* obviously is. He had the puffy chest and the whole deal once things got going..he puffed it out like a bird looking to impress a mating partner.
I have BEEN the victim of a very similar situation. A bunch of guys went roaring past me and shortly a cop comes up behind me and pulls ME over instead. Took the easy way out. Let's get this guy, he'll do. NOW, While it was OPP, I still think our guys have better judgement and exercise a bit more restraint than your average USA state trooper..especially in states like TX.
Looks like if you're gonna run a GoPro these days, it's best to not make it so obvious.
Psychoholic
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What multiple violations?
Also I'm not sure why everyone's getting all bent out if shape. Cops pull this sh** all the time. Is anyone really surprised that a cop is abusing his authority? Lol. I like how the police release footage of others stunting on the roads trying to in a way "justify" what they did to this person. Even though there is no proof of any wrong doing. If this is what is considered justice than I might as well end it all now. The sad part is this bs happens all the time and just doesn't get caught on video, so it's the cops word against ours(cops never lie lol)
fishing expedition,
