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Daily sports car?
- Thread starter CriticalCore
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The rust warranties I have seen required a hole to form in a body panel. They didn't address undercarriage, paint bubbling, etc. Spraying certain vehicles may help if those things drive you crazy. I'm with you though, working on a car that has been sprayed is disgusting and it has almost no benefit for me.
DownUnder
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Yikes. I played world of guns for a while but they don't have a G11 yet. It is interesting to see the different approaches used. Highly recommended. I'm not sure I would call it fun, more tedious but interesting.
Just to give some context, the $1600 is for a warranty (generally lifetime), not just an application. Same thing with the voodoo magic rust proofing box, everyone knows it doesn't work, but you are paying for a warranty. As long as the fineprint is upheld (annual inspections if needed) the main companies (Symtech, Diamondkote, First Canadian) are pretty good at paying for repairs within reasonable limits.
If you're one to hold onto a car for 10+ years, it's not a terrible idea if only for the warranty, just read the contract thoroughly to determine if it makes sense to you. Note that rustprooing and things like extended warranty have large markups, don't be afraid to negotiate.
If you just want a one time application without the warranty, the dealer will generally sell you the same application for $200-300.
Whatever you do, never ever ever get Krown or other oil type rust proofing application. It is highly effective, but will also make your car an unbearable oily mess. The dealers and certain private rust proofing companies use a spray that is waxy and dries hard, slightly less effective but infinitely less messy.
The guys that will apply a coating every year also offer a similar warranty (that is also extremely difficult to claim on) but in the end will get a better actual result (rust protection) as it is applied every year not just once.
TVM...econ 101, 1600 up front vs ~120 per year.... complete no brainier if all else is equal (and it is not). Even better, $0 if the vehicle will be sold before visible rust... Shockingly, a dealer is not selling you stuff for your benefit!
lol, they had all these plans when we bought our car last summer, fabric protection, pre-paid maint, rust proofing, gap insurance, loan protection, job loss protection, extended warranty.... doom and gloom if you take the risk and not anti up.... but if you anti all up the cost of ownership ends up 1.5+ times the cost of the vehicle, acually much more than that, disgusting really!
TVM...econ 101, 1600 up front vs ~120 per year.... complete no brainier if all else is equal (and it is not). Even better, $0 if the vehicle will be sold before visible rust... Shockingly, a dealer is not selling you stuff for your benefit!
lol, they had all these plans when we bought our car last summer, fabric protection, pre-paid maint, rust proofing, gap insurance, loan protection, job loss protection, extended warranty.... doom and gloom if you take the risk and not anti up.... but if you anti all up the cost of ownership ends up 1.5+ times the cost of the vehicle, acually much more than that, disgusting really!
POWERMAN
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This made me lol irl because it is exactly the same thing I went through : D
Ugh...my dad is one of those that signs up for all this junk and then thinks they're actually going to cover anything.
Paint protection...works great except for scratches...guess what their car had!
Ext warranty...works great except for moulding...guess what discoloured and isn't covered!
Next car they buy I'm going for them.
Or underwrite the warranties. They give you the 5000 and you get the crap fixed for them.
Relax
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I actually bought into that for my new Odyssey back in 2001. To be eligible for the warranty, though, you had to bring it back for an annual re-application at a cost of around $100 (at the time). I was OK with that, because we were keeping it "forever". Of course, it got totalled 14 years later, but in that time I never needed to make a claim.
You can push back at them for the scamming. They will say the "dealer is an independent business". Somewhere there is a sign about certified Honda yada, yada....... Throw that back at them.
Went through this with bodged work at a Chrysler dealer back in the day...until I said there was a sign in the window that said "Certified Chrysler Five Star Service", then they bent over hard, very hard, I mean really, really hard.
Relax
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Oh, I wasn't complaining - I went into it with eyes open and understood the terms and costs. It was also a winter delivery, so that factored into the decision. I was just illustrating how well the rustproofing worked - first Japanese car I've ever owned that didn't rust itself to death.
As someone who's gone through trying to get a rust proof claim done recently I can highly recommend avoiding the dealer rustproofing scam.
I bought my Mazda SUV new in 2008 and paid the $1,000 for full coverage rust/paint/interior protection as I planned to keep it a while. I had to bring it to the dealer annually for inspection (free) for the first 7-8yrs then every two years after that (annoyingly it had to be the same dealer as I had moved out of area but still made the treks). I had a door panel discolour which they covered around year 6. Last December while having the car there for the inspection some minor surface rust was starting to show in a couple spots so the dealer put in the claim. They took 3 weeks to get back to me and said the company is saying since the vehicle is now 12yrs old they are valuing the vehicle worth as $250 and will only pay that much for fixing the rust (it is written in all rust policy that repair will not be more than vehicle appraisal but the won't appraise the vehicle, only go on whatever low book value they can find). As reference, apart from the two very small rust points, my vehicle looks brand new inside and out but still gets the $250 value. I asked the dealer to stand behind their customer to resolve the issue and they won't do anything.
I bought my Mazda SUV new in 2008 and paid the $1,000 for full coverage rust/paint/interior protection as I planned to keep it a while. I had to bring it to the dealer annually for inspection (free) for the first 7-8yrs then every two years after that (annoyingly it had to be the same dealer as I had moved out of area but still made the treks). I had a door panel discolour which they covered around year 6. Last December while having the car there for the inspection some minor surface rust was starting to show in a couple spots so the dealer put in the claim. They took 3 weeks to get back to me and said the company is saying since the vehicle is now 12yrs old they are valuing the vehicle worth as $250 and will only pay that much for fixing the rust (it is written in all rust policy that repair will not be more than vehicle appraisal but the won't appraise the vehicle, only go on whatever low book value they can find). As reference, apart from the two very small rust points, my vehicle looks brand new inside and out but still gets the $250 value. I asked the dealer to stand behind their customer to resolve the issue and they won't do anything.
The deeper I research this issue. The more it appears that this whole thing is a scam. The car won't need work in the first 5 years, so they dont have to worry about it. If you bring it in between 5-10 years, they will always have a reason as to why you are not eligible. Anything after 10 years and they will point out the price of your vehicle. And there is also a deductible. This reminds me of my "warranty" with Nissan, which I learned was the worst dealer to buy a car from....
Either way, at this point, I would be looking for a solution for the legitimate purpose of actually protecting the car, not the warranty on the work. The simple truth is, I cant find someone on the internet who was able to make a claim and get it approved haha.
Either way, at this point, I would be looking for a solution for the legitimate purpose of actually protecting the car, not the warranty on the work. The simple truth is, I cant find someone on the internet who was able to make a claim and get it approved haha.
I know a couple of people personally that have had rust issues with VWs fixed under warranty with relatively little hassle (wait times for bookings), all at or near the end of the claim eligibility.
Yup. The only non-wear part that I ever needed replacing was a few years after I bought it. I brought it in to dealer when my check engine light came on. Went to dealer as it still was under drivetrain warranty. Sitting in the waiting room they told me it was some turbo gas recirculation thingy that needed replacing and that they had the part and it could be ready in a couple hours so I said great (thinking it would be covered under warranty). They came back with a $900 bill I had to pay as apparently the drivetrain warranty covers only the engine/trans internal. Funny part is while there fuming about the bill they called me into an office and tried to sell me an extended warranty. "Well no" was the reply when I asked if this expensive extended warranty would even cover the $900 engine part that had brought me to the dealer that day. Their bad decision to bring me into an office and I had time to kill so I spent it telling them exactly how I felt.
The dealer rust warranty is up to the value of the car.... the car currently has a low value because it is all rusty....
I had good experinces with my VW and Chevrolet as far as warranty issues being taken care of. I know Hyundai is good for that too. My friends who own Jeeps say they are looked after as well while under warranty.
My experience with Nissan however; horrendous. You practically are sold a car with a "warranty" but they will charge you 120 just to look at it for 10 minutes. And you guessed it, the problem with the car will never turn out to be Nissan's fault.... I was a life long fan of Nissan, until my last car. Too much terrible experiences with the service center's at Direct Nissan and 401 Dixie Nissan.
I really think it's part of their business model to make profit charging people just to look at their car and then flip them off lol. To me, it is not a warranty unless the inspection is free. Am I in the wrong to think that? The exception being, someone who is going in wasting their time and resources for no good reason. Otherwise, if during my warranty 3 year and 5 year, I go in 2 or 3 times. I expect it to be looked at for free. VW and Chevy did that for me.
My experience with Nissan however; horrendous. You practically are sold a car with a "warranty" but they will charge you 120 just to look at it for 10 minutes. And you guessed it, the problem with the car will never turn out to be Nissan's fault.... I was a life long fan of Nissan, until my last car. Too much terrible experiences with the service center's at Direct Nissan and 401 Dixie Nissan.
I really think it's part of their business model to make profit charging people just to look at their car and then flip them off lol. To me, it is not a warranty unless the inspection is free. Am I in the wrong to think that? The exception being, someone who is going in wasting their time and resources for no good reason. Otherwise, if during my warranty 3 year and 5 year, I go in 2 or 3 times. I expect it to be looked at for free. VW and Chevy did that for me.
Relax
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Sounds like you were dealing with an extenmded warranty rather than the original new car warranty? There can be a big difference in coverage, and the "diagnostic fee" is a dead giveaway.
My issue was at roughly 40,000 km and well within my 3 year 60k coverage.
The diagnostic fee is mandetory there regardless of your warranty, and is only waived if they agree that the issue is in a component covered by warranty.
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