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Daily sports car?
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In my line of work, I meet and come across all kinds of customers with interesting cars. sometimes they offer them to me for sale as they discover quickly I'm a fan.
Came across a guy in campbelville with 2 of them and he was willing to sell, but they were heavily modified with wings and after market wheels and stuff.
I'm hoping (praying) I come across a a mint S2000 sitting in some guys garage unmolested that he wants to get rid of. I promise you I will be all over it.
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If you happen to find a pair, lemme know!
Haha I love the S2000 but pricing has gone nuts.
Don’t tell my wife but part of the reason I have a VOLT is to keep putting money away toward a bike or toy car as time progresses. Less gas means more weekly funds for a new toy.
Priller
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I went through a phase of watching a bunch of WW2 tank related videos on YouTube (my grandfather was in recce tanks during the war, including Stuarts and Shermans), and there were a couple historians on there determined to debunk what they saw as the myth of 'superior' German engineering.
I grew up with the accepted narrative that the German tanks were far superior to the Allies, but the Allies won through sheer force of numbers and cheap, voluminous production. These historians disagreed with those assumptions, saying the later German tanks (Tiger, Panther, Tiger II, etc.) may have been superior when they worked, but that they were often designed with overly tight tolerances that failed easily, low durability, and slow, complex maintenance that was a catastrophe in the field. For example, the fabled Panther had overlapping road wheels, which meant replacing one of the inner mounted units required removing three wheels in total.
It's a bit lazy to attribute characteristics to all engineering from a single country, but my impression is many German cars have similar foibles. They're incredible when all the parts are working, but it doesn't take much to make one fail, and when it does, it's often difficult to fix. It's not so much variable quality (that's more of an Italian stereotype), but rather a design focus on complex components and ideal conditions over simplicity, durability or ease of service. Of course, complex parts with tight tolerances are expensive, adding to maintenance costs...
My mechanic told me simply....
See that part on your Honda? That takes 3 bolts to undue on your car. Audi has 10 bolts to hold that thing together, and that’s the simple example.
To get to certain easy parts you need to rip apart 20 components each with 10+ bolts. Parts are maybe 10-15% more....but to get to them is what costs you.
See that part on your Honda? That takes 3 bolts to undue on your car. Audi has 10 bolts to hold that thing together, and that’s the simple example.
To get to certain easy parts you need to rip apart 20 components each with 10+ bolts. Parts are maybe 10-15% more....but to get to them is what costs you.
They also need to hire more farmers. A leaky sunroof on a VW is routinely a five-figure repair as they placed computers low in the floor and they end up drowning. Farm kids know how to make things that work and are fixable.
It sounds like your argument is basically AK-47 vs AR-15. One can be built by people with hammers and works in the mud, the other is lighter and prettier but much more likely to need attention in the field.
Priller
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To be fair, it's not necessarily my argument, but a different way of looking at what quality engineering is. One isn't necessarily better than another, but the more humble stuff that focuses on durability tends to get less attention. One of the same historians had a pet issue with people calling things 'over-engineered' when talking about complexity. His attitude was that nothing can be 'over-engineered', but it can definitely be too complex, which is actually a form of 'under-engineering'. If additional engineering was applied to the complex item, the result should be identical or improved performance with improved durability, often in the form of increased simplicity.
Ultimately all a bit semantic, but still interesting.
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Don't forget the EA883 engine has soo much plastic including the oil pan, intake manifold blah blah blah
Karfanatik
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How about some love for a crisp 2014 Mazda 3 GT sedan with 85k km. OH BABY!/s
Incredibly true.
I dabble in vacuum repairs. Let me tell you, when it comes to the German stuff, hugely over engineered and over complicated.
Also, on these things, you don't replace "parts", you replace whole components and assemblies.....
Had a German bike once, will never own a german product again
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Test drove a 2.5L MT model. Not bad at all!
Karfanatik
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I had to get the auto for the lady in my life. Its peppier that it seems!
AllistonGT
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Two Porsches over the span of 16 years. 1st one had 3 warranty issues. 2nd has had none. Zero repairs. Just oil and tires. Yea, the rears don't last long.
Now that I've shot my mouth off I'll have a problem.
Would anyone suggest letting a car dealer do the rust proofing and undercoat when you buy a new car?
Or do you guys prefer to take it to someone else to do it?
My friend asked me and I didn't really know. The dealer is quoting him 1600 for it, but apparently, they saw his reluctance and mentioned that the price is negotiable. lol
Or do you guys prefer to take it to someone else to do it?
My friend asked me and I didn't really know. The dealer is quoting him 1600 for it, but apparently, they saw his reluctance and mentioned that the price is negotiable. lol
Relax
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Have your friend get some quotes to see how much they're ripping him/her off by, then use those quotes to negotiate. The only reason I would do it at the dealer is if it were a winter delivery and didn't want to get salt under the car before it was coated. On the other hand, it's easy to say you'll do it somewhere else but then forget about it.
I'm with Evoex. At least they didn't try to sell them the voodoo magic rustproof box. I typically buy vehicles from manufacturers that don't have huge rust problems and do not coat them. The wrong spray can cause more problems than it prevents (cough Toyota cough) by trapping water between the coating and metal. Honestly, I try to run very few aftermarket options through the dealer as they are by necessity more money than getting it done by the sub directly.
First question, how long will they keep the car and does the model/brand tend to have rust problems before then? If so why are they buying that brand? For the price the vehicle could be done every year at the usual places for well over a decade. Next I doubt anything they can spray on the vehicle at the dealer will last for a decade... If they plan on keeping the vehicle for four only or five years and that brand does not have problems over that time why spend extra for the next guy? The mark-up is huge at the dealer for this stuff BTW.
From a sales perspective if they get aggressive put it back, are you saying these cars need extra rust protection, tell them cars that rust out are a deal breaker...
Any electronic car/truck rust protection is an out and out scam if they go there. The base technology works but the item being protected (or the part of the item) must be submerged... so a total scam for a road vehicle. Good for submarines, steel ships and buried pipelines if anyone is buying one of these.
From a sales perspective if they get aggressive put it back, are you saying these cars need extra rust protection, tell them cars that rust out are a deal breaker...
Any electronic car/truck rust protection is an out and out scam if they go there. The base technology works but the item being protected (or the part of the item) must be submerged... so a total scam for a road vehicle. Good for submarines, steel ships and buried pipelines if anyone is buying one of these.
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