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Mad Mike said:
My plan would have been simple:

1) Gather a few groups of the best experts to size up the threat and recommend a solution.
  • Scientists to handle the medical threat
  • Economists to handle the economic threat
  • Influencers and great communicators to get the message out
2) Start the response quickly based on what you know - don't wait for all the details, facts and figures.

Make it well known that the course of action will change as we better understand the situation, bravely make changes when they are necessary (don't worry about political fallout).

3) Better engage the public into the fight, let their results drive the responses to openings and lockdowns. Make it clear that winning has benefits (openings) and losing has consequences (lockdowns). I'd also do that at the community level -- there were portions of Vaughan and Peel that should have had a 20m electrified fences erected around them.
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Hindsight is always 20/20 and it is clear right now that public messaging has been a problem area. "We need to do X. We know this is going to be hard on some people and we also know that this is not going to be 100% effective, but we need to do what we can, and we need to do it now. This advice may change when we have more knowledge. This vaccine is designed for what we have now ... you can expect the virus to change over time, and you can expect that you're going to need booster shots or supplementary shots to address these changes in the coming months and possibly years."

I don't think anyone expected how significant the conspiracy theories and deniers on social media were going to be.
 
jc100 said:
Look up Sovaldi by Gilead

Edit: You said eradication of a disease….that’s fair enough. Pharma does have cures for diseases though, Sovaldi is the difference between a liver transplant and a course of pills for some. Eradication of a disease is a bit trickier…you might need to eradicate an entire animal or insect species to do that.
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I looked it up and read about it. You managed to prove us both correct and both wrong with Sovaldi. I admit, it actually sounds like a cure which does impress me and I was wrong. That said, they are charging $1000/day for a 3 month course in the USA. Doesn't sound like benevolence to me.
 
Trackrat said:
What’s your rational argument about pills? Seems like the UK is happy to use them so what’s your point?

globalnews.ca

U.K. banking on COVID-19 pills to get through winter amid Omicron surge - National | Globalnews.ca

Whether such drugs could be used to protect people from becoming ill after being exposed to a COVID-19 positive case is another possibility scientists are keen to explore.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca
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They aren’t stopping vaccination. It’s part of the process. It’s for the already exposed.
 
Renboy said:
I looked it up and read about it. You managed to prove us both correct and both wrong with Sovaldi. I admit, it actually sounds like a cure which does impress me and I was wrong. That said, they are charging $1000/day for a 3 month course in the USA. Doesn't sound like benevolence to me.
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The barrier is money to a lot of new drugs. A competitor has an alternative to Sovaldi which is much much cheaper. The free market sometimes can work in the right direction here. Have no doubt, even the competitor is expensive relatively though. Regardless it is still cheaper than a liver transplant.
 
Brian P said:
Because then people complain about their tax bill. (Or their insurance bill, in the USA.) "Why are we building this huge hospital for so much of it to sit empty?"

The bricks and mortar part of the hospital is one part of it, the other part is having the people to staff it.
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I think most people are upset with the tax bill when the tax revenue is grossly misused. If you pay taxes and see a hospital or school built, you see something useful being done with the money. When you pay your tax bill and find out the PM took a jet cross country by himself to go surfing, and then sent the rest of his family to join him on another private jet you tend to get upset. As for staffing, call nurses heros and then slapping them with bill 124 does nothing to help the situation.
 
The bad news in today's Ontario numbers is that there is no doubt that a significant number of cases are in people who are fully vaccinated. It's not quite up to the percentage of the population who are fully vaccinated ... but it's pretty significant.

The good news is that the number in hospital, the number in ICU, and the number of deaths are, so far, remaining relatively stable.

In South Africa, the number in ICU has remained low. It has gone up some ... but not nearly in proportion to the number of cases. YES the demographics of the population are different. DAILY HOSPITAL SURVEILLANCE (DATCOV) REPORT - NICD

For the UK, the number hospitalised has also gone up, but also not in proportion to the number of cases. The demographics there are closer to ours. Take note of the age breakdown ... Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics
 
jc100 said:
The barrier is money to a lot of new drugs. A competitor has an alternative to Sovaldi which is much much cheaper. The free market sometimes can work in the right direction here. Have no doubt, even the competitor is expensive relatively though. Regardless it is still cheaper than a liver transplant.
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I don't disagree at all as I can understand the costs and process must cost a fortune. But the fact remains that they don't cure people for (almost) anything. They'll treat you forever though. Maybe cures aren't possible, I genuinely don't know. And if that is the case, why hasn't there been a bigger push on heath and prevention? Why aren't gym memberships tax deductible, why is it cheaper to eat at McD's than cook actual food, why isn't processed food/sugar banned? Sorry, getting off topic.
 
Trackrat said:
as evidenced by the massive infections in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated lately you clearly can’t control spread…therefore they need to focus on treatment . Numbers from today prove this …

Today's tally is the highest daily case count reported in the province since April 23, when 4,505 new infections were reported.

The Ministry of Health says 905 of Sunday’s cases involve unvaccinated people, 142 involve partially vaccinated people, 2,977 involve fully vaccinated people and 153 involve people with unknown vaccination status.
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That's a bit of fun with statistics. While it's true vaccinated people are getting sick, 82% of the population is vaccinated 18%, not.

But look at it another way - over the 11-month period ending Dec. Fully vaccinated deaths: , 0 between the ages of 12 and 39, 2 between 40 and 49, and four between the ages of 50 and 59. 6 fully vaccinated people dead.

For unvaccinated: 1 in the 12 to 17 age group, 26 aged 18 to 29, 63 aged 30 to 39, 131 aged 40 to 49, and 359 aged 50 to 59. 580 dead.

Maybe explain how the vax is working is hurting us?

If I have to chose between sick and dead, the choice is easy.
 
Renboy said:
I don't disagree at all as I can understand the costs and process must cost a fortune. But the fact remains that they don't cure people for (almost) anything. They'll treat you forever though. Maybe cures aren't possible, I genuinely don't know. And if that is the case, why hasn't there been a bigger push on heath and prevention? Why aren't gym memberships tax deductible, why is it cheaper to eat at McD's than cook actual food, why isn't processed food/sugar banned? Sorry, getting off topic.
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There is a push, but people don’t read the information that’s put out. That’s the issue. How many times have you heard of anyone that’s read this Healthy Living - Canada.ca or any of the links in that document? Messaging is terrible plus the same people that are saying “you can’t tell me what to do” with respect to COVID are the same ones that say the same thing with respect to those guidelines.

As for eradicating diseases it’s not easy and it’s not a conspiracy to push treatments for symptoms (which is actually easier to develop in most cases).

I can prove it with one simple example. Malaria is one of the biggest killers in the world. It also happens to be a bit of a pest in many of the countries that the US military/government has invaded/had skirmishes in over the years. The biggest investor in malaria research in the US is the US military in conjunction with pharmaceutical companies. We still don’t have a reliable cure for malaria.
 
Mad Mike said:
That's a bit of fun with statistics. While it's true vaccinated people are getting sick, 82% of the population is vaccinated 18%, not.

But look at it another way - over the 11-month period ending Dec. Fully vaccinated deaths: , 0 between the ages of 12 and 39, 2 between 40 and 49, and four between the ages of 50 and 59. 6 fully vaccinated people dead.

For unvaccinated: 1 in the 12 to 17 age group, 26 aged 18 to 29, 63 aged 30 to 39, 131 aged 40 to 49, and 359 aged 50 to 59. 580 dead.

Maybe explain how the vax is working is hurting us?

If I have to chose between sick and dead, the choice is easy.
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That’s the fallacy …you don’t have to choose between sick and dead ….millions of people have got COVID and millions upon millions more have recovered than have died …
 
Trackrat said:
That’s the fallacy …you don’t have to choose between sick and dead ….millions of people have got COVID and millions upon millions more have recovered than have died …
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What we are doing is cutting down on the number of dead. What most of the COVIDIOTS want to do is conveniently ignore a larger number of dead so they can go to Timmies maskless.
 
jc100 said:
What we are doing is cutting down on the number of dead. What most of the COVIDIOTS want to do is conveniently ignore a larger number of dead so they can go to Timmies maskless.
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if you go to tim Horton’s you should die for bad taste and supporting Terrible food and coffee anyway ….if you call it Timmies you should go straight to hell
 
Trackrat said:
That’s the fallacy …you don’t have to choose between sick and dead ….millions of people have got COVID and millions upon millions more have recovered than have died …
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I'm thinking most of the 580 dead would have chosen to suffer vaxxing if they got a mulligan. Sadly it's too late for them, you only die falling on your sword once.
 
Trackrat said:
I disagree that boosters is the only way to go
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My SIL is stuck in a resort in MX right now, her travel party started getting sick a few days into their vacation. All double vaxed, 5 tested positive and are locked in their rooms for 14 days. She is the only triple vax and the only negative.

Small sample size, but consistent with advice.
 
Trackrat said:
if you go to tim Horton’s you should die for bad taste and supporting Terrible food and coffee anyway ….if you call it Timmies you should go straight to hell
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I read on Facebook that Tim Hortons Triple coffee is an alternative to Phizer Triple.
 
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