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COVID and the housing market

Sorry but "too big to fail" didn't really work out that good last time.

One our directors bought property in Florida when things tanked in '08. It was a rich hood where executives flew home for the weekend. After the recession they had to expand the airport because these guys started buying bigger jets. True story.
I don't understand. A decent percentage of US mortgages were issued to collapse (mortage below rent, low tease rate, big balloon or exhorbitant interest rately shortly after). Canada reasonably (imo) tests your income vs the loan and accounts for higher future rates.

As for the second paragraph, isn't that just the rich got richer in a time of crisis? That always happens.
 
So we agree. If interest rates shot up w/o government intervention the rich would get richer at the expense of everyone else.

Yeah I'm seeing my circular logic now that I've typed it out.
 
It'll never work but I was thinking about two major concerns, house prices and long term care. These weren't as big a problem a couple of generations ago when there were multi generational homes. Married kids take care of the parents while granny and grandpa babysit. Two incomes and free house sitting, cleaning and cooking. No long term care or day care issues.

The price of independence.

Both mothers in our family are gone and it wouldn't have worked for us based on personalities but it was a thought.

When one looks at what one has to pay for something there are the intangibles.
 
It'll never work but I was thinking about two major concerns, house prices and long term care. These weren't as big a problem a couple of generations ago when there were multi generational homes. Married kids take care of the parents while granny and grandpa babysit. Two incomes and free house sitting, cleaning and cooking. No long term care or day care issues.

The price of independence.

Both mothers in our family are gone and it wouldn't have worked for us based on personalities but it was a thought.

When one looks at what one has to pay for something there are the intangibles.
We really are spoiled and greedy on average. The house with three generations in it was statistically ~1500 sq ft and there was one family sedan. Now people think that for two kids and two parents, 4000+ sq ft is reasonable and there are multiple huge SUV's/vans per family. I know one family with two kids that upgraded from 4400 sq ft to 6500 sq ft so they could have more space. wtf.
 
We really are spoiled and greedy on average. The house with three generations in it was statistically ~1500 sq ft and there was one family sedan. Now people think that for two kids and two parents, 4000+ sq ft is reasonable and there are multiple huge SUV's/vans per family. I know one family with two kids that upgraded from 4400 sq ft to 6500 sq ft so they could have more space. wtf.
A few years ago there was a protest against a limestone quarry un the Bruce Peninsula IIRC. I wonder how many of the protesters owned huge quantities of concrete in the form of basement foundations and block work or would say no to a big addition if their fortunes grew.

No New Quarry but we want better roads, more and bigger houses, arenas, gyms, shopping malls etc.
 
A few years ago there was a protest against a limestone quarry un the Bruce Peninsula IIRC. I wonder how many of the protesters owned huge quantities of concrete in the form of basement foundations and block work or would say no to a big addition if their fortunes grew.

No New Quarry but we want better roads, more and bigger houses, arenas, gyms, shopping malls etc.
Well ya, put the quarry somewhere else. Just not near me. Or nature. Or my family. Or my friends. If you do put it somewhere, conduct a dozen studies on the impact and maintain continuous groundwater monitoring around the site in perpetuity. Why do building materials keep getting more expensive? There is no reason for that other than greed.
 
I've heard of houses being sold 'as is where is' but 'unsafe to show' ... that's a new one.


I remember maybe 15 years ago I went to look at a 3 plex at Lakeshore and Brownsline...maybe 200k but you could see from each unit top to bottom as the floor was rotted through. Seems like an opportunity now!
 
I've heard of houses being sold 'as is where is' but 'unsafe to show' ... that's a new one.


I remember maybe 15 years ago I went to look at a 3 plex at Lakeshore and Brownsline...maybe 200k but you could see from each unit top to bottom as the floor was rotted through. Seems like an opportunity now!
The hoarder house is likely a good deal for someone. Bought it for 1M, comps are 1.3 to 1.5. Clean out the crap, quick patch/paint, bathroom/kitchen refresh and back on the market as a livable house with all potential problems buried.

I was talking to someone about a house near Lake Ontario (but not on Lake Ontario) well east of the GTA. House across the road (on the lake) sold for 1.4 earlier this year. Now a house on the other side of the street wants 1.4. Apparently the decks/stairs are rotted and falling apart so they are skinning parts with 1x to make them look recently reconstructed. The big kicker is their well is installed on a neighbours property without the neighbours permission (but that's ok as there isn't much water in that well anyway). They survive by trucking in water as required. Wtf. 1.4M for a house that has issues and has no water. Amazing.
 
I've heard of houses being sold 'as is where is' but 'unsafe to show' ... that's a new one.


I remember maybe 15 years ago I went to look at a 3 plex at Lakeshore and Brownsline...maybe 200k but you could see from each unit top to bottom as the floor was rotted through. Seems like an opportunity now!
A friend has a near 2 million dollar property that has mold issues from a often flooded basement. The only reason he continues to live there is the heating is by radiators and the basement is closed off. Still I wouldn't go take a look. The house is a knock down regardless of what anyone did.

Re the one above, assume the worst and a total gut out and rebuild. Any chance it was a grow op? Regardless the purchase was in the lot value region. Can grow-ops be restored or do they have to be demolished. Mold is mold.

The 30 foot lot is a limiter but assume the footprint can be reused.
 
A friend has a near 2 million dollar property that has mold issues from a often flooded basement. The only reason he continues to live there is the heating is by radiators and the basement is closed off. Still I wouldn't go take a look. The house is a knock down regardless of what anyone did.

Re the one above, assume the worst and a total gut out and rebuild. Any chance it was a grow op? Regardless the purchase was in the lot value region. Can grow-ops be restored or do they have to be demolished. Mold is mold.

The 30 foot lot is a limiter but assume the footprint can be reused.
From a neighbour it was an old guy that apparently went down a mental health spiral, began hording and is now in LTC. I doubt it was ever a grow op.

There is a legal path to remediate grow-ops. It doesn't work in practice. It's something along the lines of remove all soft surfaces (carpet, curtains, etc), repair wiring dodginess and paint all surfaces. Seems crap to me. I could be slightly off on my memory but there is a guide for Ontario on what you need to do. I know of a house where they remediated (I think properly by ripping back to studs), completely rebuilt the house beautifully and then tried to sell it. It was on the market forever and nobody would touch it because of the stigma and lingering questions about whether future problems could pop up. Eventually it burned down in a mysterious fire.
 
From a neighbour it was an old guy that apparently went down a mental health spiral, began hording and is now in LTC. I doubt it was ever a grow op.

There is a legal path to remediate grow-ops. It doesn't work in practice. It's something along the lines of remove all soft surfaces (carpet, curtains, etc), repair wiring dodginess and paint all surfaces. Seems crap to me. I could be slightly off on my memory but there is a guide for Ontario on what you need to do. I know of a house where they remediated (I think properly by ripping back to studs), completely rebuilt the house beautifully and then tried to sell it. It was on the market forever and nobody would touch it because of the stigma and lingering questions about whether future problems could pop up. Eventually it burned down in a mysterious fire.

Neighbours of a friend tore down their old cottage in Haliburton and built a new one. The first or second winter a water line broke and sprayed everywhere. Power and water were left on but they never arranged to have the place checked weekly as required by insurance.

Mold developed and the place was condemned. Insurance walked away as there was no monitoring.

A year or so later the place was stripped to the studs and rehabbed. It's now in use. I thought there might have been some issue with grow ops due to the criminal nature of the operation.

A bit of mold isn't the end of the world and can happen anywhere but when it looks like black velvet wallpaper it's time to move or burn.
 

This guy must've been really saving his pennies to afford this on 40k a year. Not exactly "news" but sheds a little light on the situation. The comments on the article are great. Any investment money coming into Canada should be taxed and we could be out of our deficit in no time!
 

This guy must've been really saving his pennies to afford this on 40k a year. Not exactly "news" but sheds a little light on the situation. The comments on the article are great. Any investment money coming into Canada should be taxed and we could be out of our deficit in no time!
Did you see the "poor me" article about the guy that got his 300k Urus carjacked? Also lost multiple watches that added up to 80k. He is 27 and has been here since high school. The urus was a gift from his parents. If they tracked foreign money buying houses instead of their intentionally obscure foreign buyers, the picture would be far different. To be fair, it's not all foreign buyers, lots of people are using canadian money and leverage to collect properties. A friend of a friend went from zero to 68 rental units during the pandemic.
 
Market is approaching frozen around me. Many houses have been listed for months. That is more typical of pre-covid. Covid chaos had them selling in a day. Sellers aren't dropping the price to get a sale. My guess is they were trying to cash in and jump up but if they can't get their number, they will just stay in place. Those houses that are moving are still way way up from pre-covid prices (more than 50%). People pushing for 80% increase are having more trouble finding a buyer.
 
Market is approaching frozen around me. Many houses have been listed for months. That is more typical of pre-covid. Covid chaos had them selling in a day. Sellers aren't dropping the price to get a sale. My guess is they were trying to cash in and jump up but if they can't get their number, they will just stay in place. Those houses that are moving are still way way up from pre-covid prices (more than 50%). People pushing for 80% increase are having more trouble finding a buyer.

In a rising market isn't the plan to buy with a long closing and hold the old property a bit to let it appreciate then sell. It is double hurt when prices drop, especially if mortgage rates rise.
 
depending on geography , i think we are also seeing a little less fervour in our market as well. Signs are up and staying longer and the crazy has dissappated .
Just maybe some are hitting the wall and a million dollar mortgage , which is quite common here now is getting a rethink.
BoC keeps hinting rates have to go up, maybe finally some folks have gotten gun shy.

imo , having to make a million dollar decision in a afternoon is never good for anyone, if you didnt offer the day the sign went up it was gone by dinner. That's not fair to anyone.
 
Did you see the "poor me" article about the guy that got his 300k Urus carjacked? Also lost multiple watches that added up to 80k. He is 27 and has been here since high school. The urus was a gift from his parents. If they tracked foreign money buying houses instead of their intentionally obscure foreign buyers, the picture would be far different. To be fair, it's not all foreign buyers, lots of people are using canadian money and leverage to collect properties. A friend of a friend went from zero to 68 rental units during the pandemic.
Just read that now, surprised it doesn't happen more often to be honest. Seems like easy pickings for criminals..
 

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