That is already live in my area that why I signed up today
it said to expect my appointment in approx 1 monthSent from my chesterfield using my thumbs
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it said to expect my appointment in approx 1 monthSent from my chesterfield using my thumbs
It has since been learned that in those phase 3 trials (and it appears to be most of them, possibly all of them), they started counting cases from the moment of vaccination, not factoring in the two or three weeks that it takes for your body to build immunity. So it looked like the efficacy was low, because some people may have been infected in that initial period before the immunity really kicked in (or may even have been infected before the vaccine). What looks like a big bump after the second shot was really at least somewhat (and possibly mostly) because your body's immune system had largely kicked in at around the same time as the second shot.
All those people that are nervous about how quickly these vaccines were developed, tested, and approved are right about one thing ... we have not done multiple phase 3 trials to study the precise optimum timing between first and second shots and the precise optimum dosages of each and that sort of thing. This in NO way implies that the vaccines are "not tested". They HAVE been tested, under the scenarios that the various developers estimated would give pretty decent results - and they have given pretty decent results. What has NOT been done, is establishing whether scenario A is (let's say) 89.3% effective, but delaying the second shot another 3 weeks (or 2? or 4? more studies needed...) would make it (let's say) 91.2% effective. And that hasn't been done, because getting the 89.3% effective scenario out in distribution NOW is better for the world as a whole than taking the 10 years of further studies to pin it down to that 91.2% (or whatever it is) precise optimum situation. We don't need this vaccine in 10 years. We need it NOW if not sooner. Even if it turns out that you could use doses 7.3% smaller spaced 6 weeks further apart if we spent the 10 years of further testing that we don't have. We don't need that. We need something that works NOW.
That is already live in my area that why I signed up today
I just checked.
- Ontarios system doesn't go live until Monday and I think the odds are 50/50 at best it's borked within 20 minutes of it opening.
- Some health units have apparently opted out in lieu of their own systems already online and taking bookings, some for close to a month already now. It's not clear at this point which health units these are, but here's hoping the Ontario system tells you such when you try to book and forwards you there as some regions have overlapping health units and services, IE locally here our hospitals are doing some doses, pharmacies others, and the overall regional health unit is doing the bulk.
- I just checked our own health unit (Durham Region) which does indeed have it's own system online already and they're *not* taking bookings for anyone outside the current emergency phase (healthcare workers, clinic workers, etc) yet, so if your healthcare unit has already moved on to taking bookings for the more generalized category, it seems some health units aren't even on the same page as others.
I'm sure the next few weeks will be clunky getting things all worked out but the provincial government really dropped the ball getting their own booking system online. It should have been live by the end of last year when we knew the vaccines were imminent, not mid F'n March. This has resulted in this fractured system we now have where some health units, hospitals, pharmacies etc saying "We have vaccines NOW and we need to administer them NOW, so we're doing our own booking system...", and here we are with multiple confusing tiers of booking systems now.
I found it hilarious/infuriating that amazon is appealing and saying a shutdown would hurt their business. No %$@#@. Just like it hurt every other business for the last 12 months while you made record profits.Anyone here work at Amazon?
The long term reality is that our entire governmental system, federal, provincial, regional and municipal has the organizational ability of the Keystone Cops when it comes to a massive problem.
The house is on fire and instead of having and calling in a well trained fire department the stooges we elected are fighting over the one inadequate fire extinguisher while making speeches and posing for photo ops.
Hurt their business? I ordered more of their stuff in the last two months than I did in the five years before covid.
And they are terrified you might stop if suddenly it’s actually more convenient to go to a store again.
Or that it might cost them an extra few dollars to ship orders from a more distant warehouse instead in the meantime.
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Austria suspends AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine batch after death
Austrian authorities have suspended inoculations with a batch of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine as a precaution while investigating the death of one person and the illness of another after the shots, a health agency said on Sunday.
www.reuters.com
More countries suspend AstraZeneca vaccinations over blood clot fears: What we know so far
AstraZeneca has said the vaccine has been studied extensively during Phase 3 trials and peer-reviewed data confirms the shot is "generally well tolerated."
The vaccines for the VID are all approved under emergency measures . That does not mean they are safe . It means they allowed them to be approved because there is a " pandemic ". Politicians fail to say that when they push them . So you are the case study . The main media is pushing the vaccines . Barley any are investigating the side effects .
Yes, some people will die after vaccination. It may turn out that the vaccination was the cause of a few of those deaths. We are talking about literally a handful of people out of the millions vaccinated. Thousands more would die from covid if you chose to avoid vaccines with any potential downside. If you could make a three or four order of magnitude improvement in mortality, would you do it? That's the decision that needs to be made, not whether three people in the world died because of the vaccine and therefore vaccines are bad.Austria suspends AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine batch after death
Austrian authorities have suspended inoculations with a batch of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine as a precaution while investigating the death of one person and the illness of another after the shots, a health agency said on Sunday.
More countries suspend AstraZeneca vaccinations over blood clot fears: What we know so far
AstraZeneca has said the vaccine has been studied extensively during Phase 3 trials and peer-reviewed data confirms the shot is "generally well tolerated."www.cnbc.com
The vaccines for the VID are all approved under emergency measures . That does not mean they are safe . It means they allowed them to be approved because there is a " pandemic ". Politicians fail to say that when they push them . So you are the case study . The main media is pushing the vaccines . Barley any are investigating the side effects .
The life expectancy of an average person measured in weeks is about 4000. Statistically, purely based on random selection, you would expect one person in 4000 to die within a week after vaccination. Given that the vaccine distribution has been oriented towards older folks who have a shorter remaining life expectancy, you would expect it to be even higher than that. There is also a statistical distribution of blood clots, and those are going to happen by random chance in that time period, too. They're saying that the frequency of these events after vaccination doesn't look different from what one would expect in the normal population. "Correlation doesn't imply causation." After hundreds of millions of vaccinations in dozens of countries that have independently-operating public health systems, the data is there.
Of course, people with no knowledge of statistical distribution are going to freak out and write conspiracy theories about it.
Of course, people with no knowledge of statistical distribution are going to freak out and write conspiracy theories about it.
Good old trolley games. How certain are you that it's the good of the many vs the good of the few or the one?
Edit: Look into the history of why Japan is so slow to vaccinate this time around.
Austria suspends AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine batch after death
Austrian authorities have suspended inoculations with a batch of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine as a precaution while investigating the death of one person and the illness of another after the shots, a health agency said on Sunday.
Which is a different batch from the one shipped to Canada.
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Sure it is . Is that what the TV told you .
I already posted the stats previously . If you are under 70 and healthy you don't need any vaccine .
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
With that attitude, R never drops below one and any older person that legitimately cannot be vaccinated is doomed to get infected (and a percentage of those will die). Glad your personal fear of a infinitesimally small chance of reaction outways your feeling of responsibility to help others.Sure it is . Is that what the TV told you .
I already posted the stats previously . If you are under 70 and healthy you don't need any vaccine .
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
covid-19.ontario.ca
Any bets??? Person gets the shot in the morning , says I'm invulnerable and it's party time that night.
We're talking odds here, not guarantees. I'll take the odds. I didn't want to be first but I don't want to be dead last either.
Israel had that happen sufficiently to show up in their statistics. Infection rates rose after the first vaccination because people let their guard down.
Hence, the current recommendation to continue with other protective measures after vaccination for some time.
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I am not taking an unproven vaccine . The stories are already out . Even when vaccinated you can still get sick and spread the vid .
What's that old disclaimer? Past performance does not guarantee future results. You need to research/test & document what happened, not pass it off to statistics.
I don't know where you are getting your data, but about 21 days after vaccination, at least pfizer is cutting infections including asymptomatic infections by ~95%. The rest of the studies are in progress.
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