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@ToSlow and doesn't that strike you as fishy? did the flu and cold just magically disappear? I'm beginning to agree (somewhat) with @pfbmgd in that these half ass lock downs are not working. I'm going back to in-class on Monday with my 20 little 7/8/9 year olds and I can tell you, the last 5 weeks have been a challenge to say the least. The mental health of kids and parents is at an all time low and in the long run, is going to have a major impact on everything in society. I was talking with my siblings who are all over 70 and even they agree with me in that anyone who is older or immunocompromised in any way (regardless of age) should stay home and receive any assistance they can get, however, the vast majority of healthy individuals should be allowed to continue to work. Wear a mask, wash your hands, stay apart, it's not that hard to do (heck, even my class can do it for the most part). Several colleagues have friends who work in hospitals (and I have a few parents that do as well) and they all say the same thing - the hospitals are empty. I just don't know anymore, except that I'm tired of it all and can't wait for normal to return.
 
i don't see what's fishy about it, when you limit the contact of people with other people you're going to see decareases in the transmissions of other viruses.

half ass lock downs are certainly not working.

@ifiddles the hospitals that are setup to appropriately provide care for covid are not empty, ask my wife whose phone hasn't stopped ringing since February. Plus it's not like they are stacking up covid patients in every department and in the hallways, so when we say 'empty' what are we saying?
 
torontosun.com

LILLEY: Ford to reopen Ontario cautiously, gradually

The Ford government will begin the process of reopening the economy next week but they won’t be lifting the stay-at-home order -- at least not for the whole province.
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round 4 is it? i lost count now.
 
Also,

thought i posted this already, perhaps show this to your healthcare are friends who claim it's business as normal @ifiddles

torontolife.com

“We're beyond capacity, and I expect it will only get worse”: A Scarborough ICU director on what it’s like at hospitals hit hardest by Covid

"Before the pandemic, I would often work 100 to 120 hours straight before getting a week off. During the pandemic, however, there's no such thing as a week off"
torontolife.com torontolife.com

just read this one today;

torontolife.com

"I lost three patients in 36 hours": a memoir from the Covid ward at TGH

"I’m often the only person my patients see, touch or talk to for weeks at a time. We develop real friendships, and that makes it all the more devastating when they die"
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But Covid is unlike any other disease I’ve encountered, and the ward is unlike any other medical ward in a hospital. In a typical medical ward, people are bustling around, there’s lots of talking and close interaction. There’s an almost musical quality, a chorus of voices, machines beeping, phones ringing and the rhythmic footsteps of people coming and going.

The Covid ward, by contrast, is an island, isolated and remote. This is where all non-ICU Covid patients are housed, and there are few people around by design and necessity. The patients are all isolated in single rooms.
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I was talking with someone in the same office building and they lost a healthy 61 yo husband to covid.

48 yo Psw from Roberta place is on ecmo right now :(

My wife got shot 2 yesterday. Horrible headaches again. Up half the night. From others that got shot 2 before her, the worst is yet to come. Much better than covid but the most side effects of any vaccine she has ever had.
 
GreyGhost said:
I was talking with someone in the same office building and they lost a healthy 61 yo husband to covid.

48 yo Psw from Roberta place is on ecmo right now :(

My wife got shot 2 yesterday. Horrible headaches again. Up half the night. From others that got shot 2 before her, the worst is yet to come. Much better than covid but the most side effects of any vaccine she has ever had.
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Wife complained of small headache for 1 day a few days after the shot. She now has a shoulder ache but doesn’t think it’s related, she’s been doing silly things like carrying a laptop around all day using 1 arm to support it on the move. ??‍♂️
I think dose #2 is due shortly.
 
jc100 said:
That should also tell you how transmissible COVID is compared to flu, what we are doing is enough to keep flu at bay but not COVID.
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If we had done what we did and Covid didn't come along the flu would have almost disappeared.
 
jc100 said:
That should also tell you how transmissible COVID is compared to flu, what we are doing is enough to keep flu at bay but not COVID.
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And the B.1.1.7 "variant" is somewhere in the vicinity of 50% more transmissible than that. This is what spiked the numbers in the UK recently. Their numbers have been coming down ... but the UK got a head-start on the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine while other health agencies were dragging their heels, which surely helped. Their case numbers have been coming down again.

That variant is known to exist in this province ... don't know where the data is but it was reported on 680 News that it's believed to be currently around 5% of the cases in the province. That can very quickly turn in to 10%, 20%, 40%, and then most of them. The current partial-lockdown looks like it is keeping R below 1 but if you multiply that by 1.5 then it's above 1 and total cases start exploding again.

No one knows how prevalent B.1.1.7 it is in the USA. It's known to be the prevalent strain in the UK. The travel restrictions ought to have been done months ago but better late than never, because that's the only hope of keeping it out. I have no patience for the people complaining about quarantine the way this is right now.

The Feds had better be right in saying that Pfizer and Moderna are both going to catch up with vaccine shipments by the end of March.
 
Brian P said:
The Feds had better be right in saying that Pfizer and Moderna are both going to catch up with vaccine shipments by the end of March.
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All signs point to no. Jt and his team keep parroting that as it is all they have but the last update I saw said we were going to be hundreds of thousands of doses behind schedule at the end of march. I hope that is wrong.

The team finally confirmed that they have quarterly goals in the contracts with no intermediate steps. Even if we meet the march goal, expect the flow to stop until june because why not? The team is also fighting hard to ensure no part of the contracts ever has light shine on it. Provinces were pushing to see and even they were rejected. It must be ugly if you cant even show people on your own team with nda's.
 


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Evoex said:
Also,

thought i posted this already, perhaps show this to your healthcare are friends who claim it's business as normal @ifiddles

torontolife.com

“We're beyond capacity, and I expect it will only get worse”: A Scarborough ICU director on what it’s like at hospitals hit hardest by Covid

"Before the pandemic, I would often work 100 to 120 hours straight before getting a week off. During the pandemic, however, there's no such thing as a week off"
torontolife.com torontolife.com

just read this one today;

torontolife.com

"I lost three patients in 36 hours": a memoir from the Covid ward at TGH

"I’m often the only person my patients see, touch or talk to for weeks at a time. We develop real friendships, and that makes it all the more devastating when they die"
torontolife.com torontolife.com
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From what I understand . They have places where they send COVID patients to certain hospitals . So the ones designated for COVID would be full .
 
Brian P said:
The Feds had better be right in saying that Pfizer and Moderna are both going to catch up with vaccine shipments by the end of March.
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They were truthful so far so keep believing them .
 
Brian P said:
And the B.1.1.7 "variant" is somewhere in the vicinity of 50% more transmissible than that. This is what spiked the numbers in the UK recently. Their numbers have been coming down ... but the UK got a head-start on the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine while other health agencies were dragging their heels, which surely helped. Their case numbers have been coming down again.

That variant is known to exist in this province ... don't know where the data is but it was reported on 680 News that it's believed to be currently around 5% of the cases in the province. That can very quickly turn in to 10%, 20%, 40%, and then most of them. The current partial-lockdown looks like it is keeping R below 1 but if you multiply that by 1.5 then it's above 1 and total cases start exploding again.

No one knows how prevalent B.1.1.7 it is in the USA. It's known to be the prevalent strain in the UK. The travel restrictions ought to have been done months ago but better late than never, because that's the only hope of keeping it out. I have no patience for the people complaining about quarantine the way this is right now.

The Feds had better be right in saying that Pfizer and Moderna are both going to catch up with vaccine shipments by the end of March.
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I'll have to find the article but there was a forecast that most cases here would eventually be from the variant just as they are in the UK.
 
pfbmgd said:
From what I understand . They have places where they send COVID patients to certain hospitals . So the ones designated for COVID would be full .
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Ornge is flying covid patients out of gta. I know cobourg, orillia and kingston got some. Not sure who else was voluntold. I think vaughan covid centre is now operational which is something like 30 to 60 additional beds.
 
pfbmgd said:
From what I understand . They have places where they send COVID patients to certain hospitals . So the ones designated for COVID would be full .
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yes, not all hospitals can care for COVID patients requiring ICU. i'm not even sure if they have COVID wards at every hospital.

As I've said previously the wife now works at the new Vaughan hospital which is opening up on Monday, but only the ICU to help take COVID overflow from other locations. It's an absolute madhouse there to try and get prepared.
 
Evoex said:
yes, not all hospitals can care for COVID patients requiring ICU. i'm not even sure if they have COVID wards at every hospital.

As I've said previously the wife now works at the new Vaughan hospital which is opening up on Monday, but only the ICU to help take COVID overflow from other locations. It's an absolute madhouse there to try and get prepared.
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Even those that can treat covid have tiers. One hospital has icu for ventilator patients, offsite facility for covid patients without ventilators and if ecmo is required they go to toronto. You wont find much documentation on the offsite facility. Officially it is part of the hospital so you would never know where it is. Easier and better solution than the parking lot tent imo. I know one of the docs working there and he is getting tired. No end in sight and a constant stream of patients.
 
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