The only ‘good’ that I’ve enjoyed from COVID is travelling. No line ups, plenty of spots to sit on planes, no rush, no issues getting upgrades....best part of COVID (outside of being home with family).
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I would still keep up my distancing, bubble, mask and hand washing until the possible side effects are clear. I don't know how they would keep antivaxxers out of public buildings. I understand but what I.D. would be appropriate?
Once the vaccine is proven I'm OK with a jab.
If the virus keeps changing the future may require protocols at a lower level forever. Orientals don't seem to have a problem with masks. We can't stop people from dying from other things and accept it. I wonder how many lives would be saved if they spent the same amount on proper driver training as they did on Covid. There will always be collateral damage.
Moral / religious exemptions are tricky, freedom and rights etc.
I agree, it's not simple.
For schools, you are required to prove vaccination or provide whatever BS reason you want as to why you aren't vaccinated so that is simple.
Other public use buildings are more complicated (especially for kids). I was thinking about sporting facilities more than town halls (as that presents even more freedom arguments and most people don't often hang out in town halls). In sporting facilities, normally you have a desk where you have to check in/pay (or organized teams that could be required to clear the team members once a year). Fundamentally I was thinking about something like a terminal where you swipe your ID card (DL or Health card) and it flashes a pic of the holder and a red or green to let the staff know if you are allowed in. It doesn't need to show your name, it shouldn't keep any records of who was where when and it provides no information on why you are red or green. There is very little personal information that could be stolen even if the entire database was captured (picture, yes/no, some number assigned to you to lookup (probably using a one way operation on the number on your ID so useful numbers could not be backed out)).
As for you delaying vaccination, I am entirely ok with that. You have a well-reasoned approach and you are willing to take alternative measures. That is partly why I think any enforcement on vaccination should have a reasonable delay to allay peoples fears about being guinea pigs in round one.
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pfbmgd
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That is what most dictaotor
Ya does rights and freedoms are hard to get around . But people like you that are willing to fold and help out . ID for vaccine and yellow star on your clothing if a jew . Rainbow star for gay people . Do you have any other great ideas .
When you get a tattoo, piercing or tooth filling they embed a microchip. You know that titanium plate to fix the broken bone? You don't need it. They used it to hide a chip.
Hiding tracking chips inside metal is a brilliant plan. The metal shields the chip so normal people can't detect it. The only thing that can penetrate your titanium plate is the government controlled 5G. You're onto something here Nobbie.
How safe does something have to be before you try it. It may be an odd question to ask on a M/C forum.
Covid and a crash are somewhat similar in that there is risk from unknown sources that could result in injury, death, hospitalization and long term body disabilities. Covid deaths in Canada so far are 10,600 in eight months = 16,000 a year.
Motor vehicle deaths in Canada in 2018 were just under 2,000 so in BS stats Covid is worse X 8. If a vaccine reduces the risk by 90% then theoretically Covid deaths could drop to about 1600, less than motor vehicle crashes.
The murder rate in Canada is about a third of traffic deaths.
Some other risks: 5 things more likely to kill you in Canada than coronavirus
Obviously the problem with Covid is the fast spread of the disease. Today's party is next week's funeral.
Covid and a crash are somewhat similar in that there is risk from unknown sources that could result in injury, death, hospitalization and long term body disabilities. Covid deaths in Canada so far are 10,600 in eight months = 16,000 a year.
Motor vehicle deaths in Canada in 2018 were just under 2,000 so in BS stats Covid is worse X 8. If a vaccine reduces the risk by 90% then theoretically Covid deaths could drop to about 1600, less than motor vehicle crashes.
The murder rate in Canada is about a third of traffic deaths.
Some other risks: 5 things more likely to kill you in Canada than coronavirus
Obviously the problem with Covid is the fast spread of the disease. Today's party is next week's funeral.
I think you'd feel more comfortable in a place like West Virginia or Kentucky. Or Mississippi perhaps.
Those sorts of attitudes don't belong here - leave Canada to the people that are sometimes willing to worry about the needs of the many collectively, instead of self centred jerks who are only worried about themselves....because "freedom and rights" must override any shred of common sense, dignity, and consideration of others..
BTW, nobody in the government will be forcing you to do jack **** about a Covid vaccination, the same way nobody is forcing you to do jack **** about Flu vaccinations or any others designed to maybe save your life one day (Hey, you up to date on your Tetanus shot?). You can thank the rest of us (whom I'm sure you'll refer to as "sheep") for maybe saving your life some day through the herd immunity effect because we weren't' all self centred jerks and actually did something for the betterment of society by getting the vaccination and breaking the chain of transmission.
Now go ahead and tell us all how Covid is a big nothingburger and you're invincible and could never possibly suffer harm from it.
You really are a piece of work.
So far, I am up to:
- Co-worker of a friend died of it. Fiftysomething, somewhat overweight (but most people are, including myself), no other known health problems.
- Friend's brother died of it. Early sixties, had other health problems (diabetes etc) but they had been managed for years and there's no known reason why he would have died back in May were it not for getting infected with covid19.
- My niece (works in a hospital) was in quarantine for two weeks a while back because an infected person got into a place where they shouldn't be, off the covid19 designated floor.
- Close friend has a co-worker who was diagnosed but asymptomatic. Due to the nature of the workplace, they are wearing N95 masks all the time anyhow, so no one else has tested positive thus far. I believe today is 11 days after my friend last crossed paths with them, probably all is well, if they make it another three days then everyone is in the clear ... at that workplace. Same person's whole immediate family caught it.
And this is here in Canada.
Anyone in the USA who is making a claim that "they don't know anyone who has had it", at this point, is living under a rock. And there are some people like that ... but not most people. As of right now, 1 person in 30 in the USA is an officially diagnosed case. Do you know 30 people? Then you probably know someone who has had it. It's about 1 in 130 here ... so it remains possible that a decent number of people won't directly know anyone who has had it.
It was reported yesterday that over 60,000 people in USA are in hospital with this, that's about 181 per million people averaged over the whole country. Ontario has 424 people in hospital right now with this, about 29 per million people.
And ... Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
- Co-worker of a friend died of it. Fiftysomething, somewhat overweight (but most people are, including myself), no other known health problems.
- Friend's brother died of it. Early sixties, had other health problems (diabetes etc) but they had been managed for years and there's no known reason why he would have died back in May were it not for getting infected with covid19.
- My niece (works in a hospital) was in quarantine for two weeks a while back because an infected person got into a place where they shouldn't be, off the covid19 designated floor.
- Close friend has a co-worker who was diagnosed but asymptomatic. Due to the nature of the workplace, they are wearing N95 masks all the time anyhow, so no one else has tested positive thus far. I believe today is 11 days after my friend last crossed paths with them, probably all is well, if they make it another three days then everyone is in the clear ... at that workplace. Same person's whole immediate family caught it.
And this is here in Canada.
Anyone in the USA who is making a claim that "they don't know anyone who has had it", at this point, is living under a rock. And there are some people like that ... but not most people. As of right now, 1 person in 30 in the USA is an officially diagnosed case. Do you know 30 people? Then you probably know someone who has had it. It's about 1 in 130 here ... so it remains possible that a decent number of people won't directly know anyone who has had it.
It was reported yesterday that over 60,000 people in USA are in hospital with this, that's about 181 per million people averaged over the whole country. Ontario has 424 people in hospital right now with this, about 29 per million people.
And ... Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
I don't personally know anybody that has told me they were infected. I am sure some people wouldn't advertise as there may be some social stigma/shaming that the infected person had done something wrong. Obviously we have had at least one confirmed case amongst forum members, but I've never met him in real life.
My friend's grandmother died of COVID-19. But she lived in Louisiana, not Canada.
So far for me 1 purchaser I work with has died of it (50s overweight)
One coworker had it no issues and got lucky no one else in the office got it.
Lots of employees at various customer have had it but no one I personally know
I think you'd feel more comfortable in Newark or Manhattan. People here are going to say things you don't like.
Not sure what to reply to this. It's the same argument that those who haven't seen any cases make. I've known two people who died, therefore we need to be in panic mode vs I've seen no cases, therefore it's a nothingburger. Anecdotal evidences is the best evidence.
Don't ignore it. Don't panic. Believe science. Stay safe.
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pfbmgd
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Great add to the topic .
You forgot to call me a sheep.
I've no problem with that, at all. If I got upset everytime someone here said something I didn't like I'd have ditched the joint years ago.
What I do have a problem with is people who think their mightier than thou and the masses/peasants need to potentially suffer simply because of *their* (perceived, or otherwise) "rights". And then go on to call you sheep and make tasteless remarks (honestly, the Star of David/jewish references speaks volumes about the author) aimed at anyone who is a decent person enough person to actually think of others sometimes instead of only themselves.
That attitude is a huge part of what's wrong with society today.
- I'm always right.
- You don't matter
- Your opinion doesn't matter because it's different than mine.
- Facts don't matter even if they're based in science and reality because I just don't like them either.
- My rights are more important than your rights.
- Freedom at ALL costs, damn anything else, or YOUR freedom.
To borrow a line from a certain science fiction series, sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. This is where we are right now.
And FWIW I'm not a Covid hysteric, either. Hell, I deal with so many high risk situations as part of my workday that if I was I wouldn't be working right now. I'm also not one of the sorts who denies there's a potential issue, either, or who trudges into WalMart or whatever and screams "medical exemption!" at the poor kid at the door even when I have no such medical issue.
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There. FTFY.
Handy quote in case history changes...some people like to conveniently go back and edit their comments later. Mods can see edits anyways, but always nice to have it public facing.
Here ya go. 59 letters (minus spaces) is about all I'm willing to expend on you.
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