So in the past few days some info about abnormal blood clotting has appeared about this virus. Some younger people have had stroke like cases from blood clots that do not respond to standard blood thinners. Many post mortems have show up multiple blood clots in the lungs of the deceased. Some professionals are now questioning if this is a respiratory disease as it affects much more than just the lungs. Whatever it is, anyone that says “it’s just like the flu” is even more wrong than they were before.
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Because they sat on things far too long before taking action hoping that they could just avoid all this "inconvenient" stuff the rest of the world is doing, all while barely even telling people to take the basic precautions that most of the the rest of the world are taking for granted now.
I'm starting to see increasing numbers of people on Facebook (mostly Americans) who are spouting the "it's all lies, the numbers are all inflated" theory. (Yes, the numbers are indeed all wrong ... they're higher than what's published.)
New policy (for ME, not facebook): Any such person spouting that viewpoint gets blocked, and the offending post gets reported as false or misleading.
New policy (for ME, not facebook): Any such person spouting that viewpoint gets blocked, and the offending post gets reported as false or misleading.
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They should have likened it to TB from the start, then people would have taken it more serious, you don't just die from pneumonia with TB you get big white lesions and all kinds of nasty byproducts.
... but hey I was only saying that a few weeks ago ?
i'm wondering if and when they find a vaccine, who or how many people will be getting it?
I'm seeing a divide between older, retired folks who would be more (mortally) impacted by the virus physically, and less impacted from an employment standpoint and working age folks who are materially impacted by loss of revenue and would probably survive a bout with COVID-19.
Two very diametrically opposed interests.
I am thinking that this one will be required to be mandatory for some period of time if you want to board an airplane, attend a conference, enter the stands of a sporting event, go to a movie theatre, etc. (In other words, you're free to not vaccinate, if you never want to be in a group of people again.) Probably a year or so of that, will be enough persuasion to get enough people to have it.
So even some of the younger folk who survive the virus end up with permanent lung damage from this if they ended up in hospital. It’s true that many more just get a “bad cold” type issue, but I’m not sure I’d want to play Russian roulette with It.
Good for him for telling the truth, even if he did just sign his own pink slip.
Good point. Help them understand exponential growth by applying it to the fines. If 750 didn't smarten you up, 7500 probably will and if by some miracle, you still can't it through your skull, the $75,000 ticket will be very memorable.
I could see this being an addition to a passport or driving licence at some point.
Are you saying that as a blanket policy you don't believe the numbers being published here, or just in the USA?
Because on this side of the border I have great faith that the numbers we are seeing are based in reality, at least so far as current testing allows. And the realities in our hospitals where they're downright quiet seems to legitimize that.
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Some patients are experiencing problems in their appendages, if that proves to be true it will catch the attention of younger people, they might not care if gramps drowns in his own lung fluid, but they won't want messed up fingers and toes for the rest of their lives.
It's a no brainer that things will have to relax at some point. Food for thought:
Open stores but have occupancy limits like restaurants. The big box stores would be like grocery stores are today. It would be interesting to see the stats if curb pickup was still available and how many would use it to avoid the outside lineup.
Small stores just install magnetic latches on the front doors to meter the crowd, one out, one in, no loitering.
Mega Malls, already suffering in the USA, (Google abandoned shopping malls) are harder to police. The limited number of entries make sectioning off difficult. The modern mall concept is 180 degrees away from isolating. They are dependent on people wandering around until something catches their eye. Stores on the outside can put in new entries but that defeats the mall concept.
Restaurant occupancy limits are presently based on fire marshal rulings but would be cut back to health department rulings. This will hurt. Takeout won't have the same limits but not all restaurants have layouts that are easy to split off.
Sports get interesting as filling venues isn't realistic. Box seats are controllable so OK and TV is OK. The risk is player to player. Does XYZ sports team want their multi million dollar studs on ventilators and the payroll at the same time?
One problem with government control is getting an official to put their signature on a paper when there is a risk that could fly back at them. The private sector does it all the time. It's called risk management and is necessary because not taking risks means running out of money due to buying blinker fluid insurance for the fleet.
Civil servants just say we need blinker fluid insurance and scoop up some more tax dollars to pay for it.
At some time things will likely get back to normal but when. If it's a year and the occupancy modifications cost a small store $100,000 will they have recouped that amount during the shut down? Do they have to un-modify to be successful going forward?
Restaurants put in anti smoking sections at $50K to $100K only to be told by the health department they're only deferring the ban for a year.
Open stores but have occupancy limits like restaurants. The big box stores would be like grocery stores are today. It would be interesting to see the stats if curb pickup was still available and how many would use it to avoid the outside lineup.
Small stores just install magnetic latches on the front doors to meter the crowd, one out, one in, no loitering.
Mega Malls, already suffering in the USA, (Google abandoned shopping malls) are harder to police. The limited number of entries make sectioning off difficult. The modern mall concept is 180 degrees away from isolating. They are dependent on people wandering around until something catches their eye. Stores on the outside can put in new entries but that defeats the mall concept.
Restaurant occupancy limits are presently based on fire marshal rulings but would be cut back to health department rulings. This will hurt. Takeout won't have the same limits but not all restaurants have layouts that are easy to split off.
Sports get interesting as filling venues isn't realistic. Box seats are controllable so OK and TV is OK. The risk is player to player. Does XYZ sports team want their multi million dollar studs on ventilators and the payroll at the same time?
One problem with government control is getting an official to put their signature on a paper when there is a risk that could fly back at them. The private sector does it all the time. It's called risk management and is necessary because not taking risks means running out of money due to buying blinker fluid insurance for the fleet.
Civil servants just say we need blinker fluid insurance and scoop up some more tax dollars to pay for it.
At some time things will likely get back to normal but when. If it's a year and the occupancy modifications cost a small store $100,000 will they have recouped that amount during the shut down? Do they have to un-modify to be successful going forward?
Restaurants put in anti smoking sections at $50K to $100K only to be told by the health department they're only deferring the ban for a year.
Damn, how long before Facebook blocks you for spamming their reporting system? There are a hell of a lot of crazy posts.
Attitudes differ.
There's a very cold, harsh reality that people will not be able to put food on the table tomorrow and pay for the roof over their heads.
Balance this out with the theoretical possibility that they *might* get this virus, and it *probably* won't kill them because they're young.
Obviously the longer the shutout continues, the more dire people's living situations get, combined with the false sense of security due to the successes we have seen from self isolation, more people are going to be changing their opinion about reopening businesses. You can already sense the shift in attitudes on this thread over time.
I think quiet is a bit of an overstatement.
Not sure where your s/o works but mine is an RT (more hands on then most everyone with covid) and works at multiple hospitals, it's not full to the brim but it's not dead either.
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