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PPE is the last line of defense in workplace hazard controls
and should not be relied upon as the only measure

1 and 2 cannot be applied
3 and 4 could be, with a patient bubble - not practical or expedient
5 and 6 are where the focus needs to be

6 is easy - throw money at it
5 is where most organizations with poor safety record are failing

Step 1: Design or re-organise to eliminate hazards

It is often cheaper and more practical to eliminate hazards at the design or planning stage of a product, process or place used for work. In these early phases, there is greater scope to design out hazards or incorporate risk control measures that are compatible with the original design and functional requirements. For example, remove trip hazards on the floor or dispose of unwanted chemicals.

Step 2: Substitute the hazard with something safer

If it is not reasonably practical to eliminate the hazards and associated risks, you should minimise the risk. For example, today the dangers associated with asbestos are well known and there are numerous alternatives to asbestos products currently on the market including cellulose fibre, thermoset plastic flour or polyurethane foams. Replacing solvent- based paints with water-based ones is also a better alternative.

Step 3: Isolate the hazard from people

This involves physically separating the source of harm from people by distance or using barriers. For example, introducing a strict work area, using guard rails around exposed edges and holes in the floors, using remote control systems to operate machinery, enclosing a noisy process from a person and storing chemicals in a fume cabinet.

Step 4: Use engineering controls

An engineering control is a control measure that is physical in nature, including a mechanical device or process. For example this can be done through the use of machine guards, effective ventilation systems and setting work rates on a roster to reduce fatigue.

Step 5: Use administrative controls

Administrative controls are work methods or procedures that are designed to minimise exposure to a hazard. Establish appropriate procedures and safe work practices such as; limit exposure time to a hazardous task so that fewer employees are exposed, routine maintenance and housekeeping procedures, training on hazards and correct work methods and use signs to warn people of a hazard.

Step 6: Use Personal Protective Equipment (PPE)

Provide suitable and properly maintained PPE and ensure employees are trained in its proper use. Examples include gloves, earplugs, face masks, hard hats, gloves, aprons and protective eyewear. PPE limits exposure to harmful effects of a hazard but only if workers wear and use the PPE correctly.
 
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The triage rule of shortages is that you help the ones most likely to survive. Being honest the financial help to all businesses may be a waste. IMO there are a lot of businesses that are pipe dreams with little hope of survival at the best of times. It's going to be an ugly next ten years.
 
The triage rule of shortages is that you help the ones most likely to survive. Being honest the financial help to all businesses may be a waste. IMO there are a lot of businesses that are pipe dreams with little hope of survival at the best of times. It's going to be an ugly next ten years.
Well most of the help to businesses is the 75% wage kickback. Most of that should be distributed to non-owners. It would be nice if there were some easily visible restrictions on the 40k interest free loan (eg. Owner needs to sign a personal guarantee). I could see those being used as consolation prizes/startup money for the next business if that isnt in there.
 

That story isn't as concerning as the scary headline makes it seem when you read into it and see quotes like these:

-Kim also said patients had likely "relapsed" rather than been re-infected.

-False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients' systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.
 
Bathing in the blood of Jesus.

Drinking the blood of Jesus
Drinking it right from his veins
Learning to swim in the ocean
Learning to prowl in his name
The body of Christ looked unto me
A preacher with God-given hands
He wants you to suck on the Holy Ghost
And swallow the sins of man


Psalm 69
 
Well most of the help to businesses is the 75% wage kickback. Most of that should be distributed to non-owners.

It is. The subsidy goes to the employer. The employer pays the employees (keeps them on the payroll).
 
The wage subsidy thing is a great idea and all and will help a lot of businesses stay afloat, but what I don't get is the announcements that Air Canada and now Wesjet as well (IIRC) are re-hiring all their staff and crews because of it.

What confuses me is....what for? They're not flying empty planes around, schedules have been slashed, jets are sitting parked.

What exactly are these tens of thousands of employees going to do while getting paid 75% on the government dime....sit in mostly empty airports and drink coffee?
 
The wage subsidy thing is a great idea and all and will help a lot of businesses stay afloat, but what I don't get is the announcements that Air Canada and now Wesjet as well (IIRC) are re-hiring all their staff and crews because of it.

What confuses me is....what for? They're not flying empty planes around, schedules have been slashed, jets are sitting parked.

What exactly are these tens of thousands of employees going to do while getting paid 75% on the government dime....sit in mostly empty airports and drink coffee?
Yes. Actually, they don't sit in airports. They stay home. I'm not sure that plan is good value for money, but that's the one we have.
 
The wage subsidy thing is a great idea and all and will help a lot of businesses stay afloat, but what I don't get is the announcements that Air Canada and now Wesjet as well (IIRC) are re-hiring all their staff and crews because of it.

What confuses me is....what for? They're not flying empty planes around, schedules have been slashed, jets are sitting parked.

What exactly are these tens of thousands of employees going to do while getting paid 75% on the government dime....sit in mostly empty airports and drink coffee?

Air Canada told them to stay home while earning their pay.

I think it helps to get the business up and running as quick as possible as soon as things get better, instead of spending time interviewing, rehiring. etc;
 
Yes. Actually, they don't sit in airports. They stay home. I'm not sure that plan is good value for money, but that's the one we have.
Air Canada told them to stay home while earning their pay.

I think it helps to get the business up and running as quick as possible as soon as things get better, instead of spending time interviewing, rehiring. etc;

They can just as well sit at home collecting EI/CERB like the rest of us, no?

I'm just not sure what the benefit of the subsidy is over CERB in the end, aside from keeping them in benefits and at a higher rate of pay on the governments (therefore, US) dime after it's all said and done.

To me the idea behind the subsidy was to keep companies up and operating quasi-normally when their accounts payable is depleted as opposed to "OK you're getting paid 100% again now, go sit at home and twiddle your fingers".
 
Air Canada told them to stay home while earning their pay.

I think it helps to get the business up and running as quick as possible as soon as things get better, instead of spending time interviewing, rehiring. etc;
Well, you wouldnt need to do that much interviewing/rehiring. Every pilot in the world was basically canned. It's not like they will go to a different airline in the meantime. The really interesting part for me is the last 25%. JT didnt have a required component, just a recommendation. Are the airlines paying something or just taxpayer money to employees?
 
Corrected above to "governments dime", not the "companies dime", which is effectively what's happening.

In short, we're all paying Air Canada's employees wages and benefits right now while they sit at home and make 100% of their wage while the rest of us take huge cuts.

I don't get it.
 
FYI, max payout from the government under the employment subsidy is $847/wk, versus $500/wk under the CERB.
 
FYI, max payout from the government under the employment subsidy is $847/wk, versus $500/wk under the CERB.
I understand pp's point though. There should be some justification of need. Eg. A restaurant with the owner working 100 hours a week to try to make the rent payment would be well served by having employees available even if the cashflow couldnt support them. Blindly paying people with o prospect of working is a stupid idea. Go on cerb with everybody else.
 
I understand pp's point though. There should be some justification of need. Eg. A restaurant with the owner working 100 hours a week to try to make the rent payment would be well served by having employees available even if the cashflow couldnt support them. Blindly paying people with o prospect of working is a stupid idea. Go on cerb with everybody else.

I'm not 100% sure how I feel on this issue.

$2000 pre-tax a month is not enough for a lot of people that have no savings and are living month to month, this is a significant portion of our society. When the eventual bills start piling up, that's going to leave a lot of people in a very negative financial situation, which ripples into consumer spending, which then ripples into the whole economy.

With the wage subsidy, a higher earning individual will now be earning $1124 (843/.75), or $58448/yr if the company lowers their salary to maximize the Gov wage subsidy and minimize their contribution. Average individual salary is $44,000 though (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1110019101). Which at 75%, equals a government contribution of $635/week. So a minimally higher investment from the government compared to CERB, to keep people employed and earning more. Also to keep businesses operational to some degree.
 
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I'm not 100% sure how I feel on this issue.

$2000 pre-tax a month is not enough for a lot of people that have no savings and are living month to month, this is a significant portion of our society. When the eventual bills start piling up, that's going to leave a lot of people in a very negative financial situation, which ripples into consumer spending, which then ripples into the whole economy.

With the wage subsidy, a higher earning individual will now be earning $1124 (843/.75), or $58448/yr if the company lowers their salary to maximize the Gov wage subsidy and minimize their contribution. Average individual salary is $44,000 though (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1110019101). Which at 75%, equals a government contribution of $635/week. So a minimally higher investment from the government compared to CERB, to keep people employed and earning more.
Except, as I understand it, JT didnt mandate the company top up. The company can keep them on the books at 8xx a month and throw nothing in the pot. If cerb is insufficient, cerb should be fixed. Your ability to be solvent shouldnt be based on whether the govt cash flowed through the company or not (unless the company was required to throw in substantial money, which they arent).
 
I think it helps to get the business up and running as quick as possible as soon as things get better, instead of spending time interviewing, rehiring. etc;

Exactly. It depends a lot on your business and the skill set of your employees. There's a big difference between having to hire a few new wait staff and get them up to speed. A whole other thing if half of a team of skilled people who work in synchronicity have found other employment during the shutdown.
 
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