Const. James Forcillo shot Sammy Yatim - the trial

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As absurd as that all sounds, way better solution than 9 bullets

Breaking news. Forcillo's partner has defended him in court, didn't see that coming [sarcasm]

After reading these posts . I have the solution . Since all the couch warriors came up with great solutions . They cops should carry nets . Throw the net over Sammy . Then get the zoo to bring down the tranquilizer dart gun . Use the gun to put him to sleep . Then take him to the hospital for help . Everyone goes home happy .

 

[AdRath]

After reading these posts . I have the solution . Since all the couch warriors came up with great solutions . They cops should carry nets . Throw the net over Sammy . Then get the zoo to bring down the tranquilizer dart gun . Use the gun to put him to sleep . Then take him to the hospital for help . Everyone goes home happy .

I can think of 5 options that would accomplish the same goal and are much easier. There were lots of options open to police besides unloading your weapon into a kid who was asking for help previous and in obvious distress with no immediate threat of harm to anyone but himself. Complete failure of police policy and tactics.

 

[Riceburner]

After reading these posts . I have the solution . Since all the couch warriors came up with great solutions . They cops should carry nets . Throw the net over Sammy . Then get the zoo to bring down the tranquilizer dart gun . Use the gun to put him to sleep . Then take him to the hospital for help . Everyone goes home happy .

It's called a taser....maybe if they used it first, instead of after the kid was dead....

 

[-D-]

After reading these posts . I have the solution . Since all the couch warriors came up with great solutions . They cops should carry nets . Throw the net over Sammy . Then get the zoo to bring down the tranquilizer dart gun . Use the gun to put him to sleep . Then take him to the hospital for help . Everyone goes home happy .

Yeah, he would still be alive and the cop wouldn't be facing charges...win/win

 

[-D-]

It's called a taser....maybe if they used it first, instead of after the kid was dead....

come on man, they didn't have all that time to read the struction manual...bang,bang,bang,bang,bang,bang....breathe, breathe, bang, bang,bang...all clear

 

[Slim Jim]

It seems like the kid had a bad reaction to some bad tablets he had taken. He had asked people to call police and an ambulance at the station he was at and again asked the street car driver to call his father. He clearly knew something wasn't right.

I don't think it warrants a death sentence just because he popped a couple of pills and had a bad reaction.

An I don't know how you think it wasn't Blair's fault. He ran policing in Toronto. Isn't he responsible to make sure officers were trained correctly and procedures were put in place. If not him the who?

To be honest the Street car driver was coping better that Toronto Police.

So you really don't feel sorry that this young man's life was taken?

You can't be serious. You talk like he had a reaction to prescription drugs. Give her head a shake, if it was because of Blair's policing ,all the cops would of been firing away not just one. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you can blame all the problems on him, that's pure stupidity. And no I don't feel sorry some idiot that got high, became a danger to other innocent people and got killed.

 

[mmmnaked]

I feel sorry for him if he had mental health problems. That's a curveball, it really sucks and he didn't need to die. If he was a normie and just being stupid then whatever, so be it.

With that said, the cop did wrong. He should be imprisoned for his horrible judgement and complete failure of duty resulting in a totally unnecessary death.

 

[pfbmgd]

So it's ok to shoot a "normal with a knife " but not a crazy with one .

Wonder how the police can train to distinguish a guy in crisis with a knife . Them a guy bent on killing someone .

Good logic .

 

[mbroyda]

better to shoot both.

That "normal with a knife" might be pretending, and you sure as hell don't want that s.o.b testifying against you after

 

[Bobo]

So it's ok to shoot a "normal with a knife " but not a crazy with one .

Wonder how the police can train to distinguish a guy in crisis with a knife . Them a guy bent on killing someone .

Good logic .

Yes its ok for a cop to shoot someone with a knife. It's not ok to pump another six rounds into them when they're lying on the floor.

 

[ashkan]

Yes its ok for a cop to shoot someone with a knife. It's not ok to pump another six rounds into them when they're lying on the floor.

And while its beating a dead horse here, he had a taser! he had no need to shoo him but even if he did, shoot to disable the threat like in the leg not 9 shots to make a strainer out of this kid!

He needs to go away for a long long time!

 

[Slick_Steveo]

Wonder how the police can train to distinguish a guy in crisis with a knife . Them a guy bent on killing someone .

Good logic .

Their first clue should have been that he didn't injure any of the other passengers or the streetcar driver.

He let them all go so he could kill the cops that were standing outside?

 

[Delboy]

You can't be serious. You talk like he had a reaction to prescription drugs. Give her head a shake, if it was because of Blair's policing ,all the cops would of been firing away not just one. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you can blame all the problems on him, that's pure stupidity. And no I don't feel sorry some idiot that got high, became a danger to other innocent people and got killed.

Young people do stupid things. I remember when I was around 19, myself and a bunch of friends ate a piece of hash between us and we were behaving like a bunch of obnoxious ******** on the platform in St Andrews subway. My friend actually fell down the escalator on top of a bunch of people.

It was the worst I ever felt in my life and I was loosing it, but a TTC cop sat me down in a seat and talked to me for an hour until it wore off, so I can totally understand what Sammy Yatim was feeling.

According to your logic they should simply have shot me as I could have been a danger. Why stop there. Why not shoot speeders as they are a danger to innocent people. I would argue that 4000 lb car at excessive speed is probably more lethal than a 3 inch knife

I don't even buy the bad home argument. I had just been accepted to Queen's Engineering and was pushed by my father to do better every day of my life but I still went and did it.

Many kids will experiment with drugs. That's a fact. The kid ****ed up. We all have at some time in our lives. It doesn't warrant a death sentence. from the video he seemed to be more of a danger to himself.

For me it was a really positive experience. I have never touched any form of drugs again.

 

[Riceburner]

....Why not shoot speeders as they are a danger to innocent people.....

Sure would cut down on speeding.

As for the 3" knife....I gave my kids 3' swords. Knives are too dangerous.

 

[mmmnaked]

So it's ok to shoot a "normal with a knife " but not a crazy with one .

Wonder how the police can train to distinguish a guy in crisis with a knife . Them a guy bent on killing someone .

Good logic .

English much?? I said I feel sorry for him IF he had mental issues. It wasn't ok to shoot him regardless. Stop being a filthy cop apologist and accept that this porker is a murderer scumbag. End of discussion.

 

[nobbie48]

Young people do stupid things. I remember when I was around 19, myself and a bunch of friends ate a piece of hash between us and we were behaving like a bunch of obnoxious ******** on the platform in St Andrews subway. My friend actually fell down the escalator on top of a bunch of people.

It was the worst I ever felt in my life and I was loosing it, but a TTC cop sat me down in a seat and talked to me for an hour until it wore off, so I can totally understand what Sammy Yatim was feeling.

According to your logic they should simply have shot me as I could have been a danger. Why stop there. Why not shoot speeders as they are a danger to innocent people. I would argue that 4000 lb car at excessive speed is probably more lethal than a 3 inch knife

I don't even buy the bad home argument. I had just been accepted to Queen's Engineering and was pushed by my father to do better every day of my life but I still went and did it.

Many kids will experiment with drugs. That's a fact. The kid ****ed up. We all have at some time in our lives. It doesn't warrant a death sentence. from the video he seemed to be more of a danger to himself.

For me it was a really positive experience. I have never touched any form of drugs again.

A touch of reality. Thank you

 

[-D-]

His female partner that just came back to street duty after years behind the desk HOLSTERED her gun...she was not afraid...hmmm

 

[Clem]

Young people do stupid things. I remember when I was around 19, myself and a bunch of friends ate a piece of hash between us and we were behaving like a bunch of obnoxious ******** on the platform in St Andrews subway. My friend actually fell down the escalator on top of a bunch of people.

It was the worst I ever felt in my life and I was loosing it, but a TTC cop sat me down in a seat and talked to me for an hour until it wore off, so I can totally understand what Sammy Yatim was feeling.

According to your logic they should simply have shot me as I could have been a danger. Why stop there. Why not shoot speeders as they are a danger to innocent people. I would argue that 4000 lb car at excessive speed is probably more lethal than a 3 inch knife

I don't even buy the bad home argument. I had just been accepted to Queen's Engineering and was pushed by my father to do better every day of my life but I still went and did it.

Many kids will experiment with drugs. That's a fact. The kid ****ed up. We all have at some time in our lives. It doesn't warrant a death sentence. from the video he seemed to be more of a danger to himself.

For me it was a really positive experience. I have never touched any form of drugs again.

Amen to that. At 19 I thought I knew it all. I sometimes wonder how we survived.

I now have 2 teenagers and have a new found respect for my parents.

 

[griff2]

His female partner that just came back to street duty after years behind the desk HOLSTERED her gun...she was not afraid...hmmm

You're making an assumption there.

Under questioning from Forcillo's defence lawyer, Fleckeisen, a Toronto Police officer for 24 years, said videos capturing the incident can't show the intensity of the situation she and her partner were in.

"There's no way you'll ever understand the heart-pumping, hand-shaking reality when you're involved face to face in a lethal force encounter," she said.

"That night was and remains the most terrifying moments of my night."

Fleckeisen recalled that when she and Forcillo arrived at the streetcar, her partner had the most direct path to the vehicle and arrived at its doors first, pointing his gun at Yatim and yelling at him to "drop the knife."

She had her gun out as well -- "at the low ready" -- but soon holstered her weapon, court heard.

"I reholster my firearm for the purpose of calling a Taser on scene because that is our only other recourse," she said, denying a suggestion that she put her weapon away because she didn't find the situation dangerous.

"It's very easy to misinterpret and oversimplify my actions that night."
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http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/02/forcillo-partner-testifies-about-reholstering-her-gun

 

[mmmnaked]

Cops standing up for cops no way

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