So what are you saying? Are you for or against this self-centered selfish attitude?
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Cars and Excessive Rolling Stops
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So what are you saying? Are you for or against this self-centered selfish attitude?
Gonna have to think about this next time I go roundabout. Not that it's a bother to signal but why bother? Entering is one way so no signal needed there and when exiting, say 12 0clock, car entering at 9 0clock can't see my right signal and if they can why would they trust it? I think I'll treat roundabout as straight road, with yielding where needed, until further notice.
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And some people don't see the need to signal at a stop sign when they are making a right and have right of way, or are making a lane change. It's still a requirement, because your actions can have an effect on others.
Rules of the road indicate use of turn signals required. In practical terms, due to the nature of roundabouts, I personally wouldn't bank on somebody elses' turn signal. Since driving is a grey area anyway I think I'll just do as I please. Everybody else seems too.
I don't fully agree because I don't trust turn signals.
If someone is signaling to exit a roundabout and you pull in, but then they don't exit and t-bone you it's your fault. I'll wait and I'll yield until they actually exit or until they pass by me and I'll enter after them. Their use of turn signals would not affect my actions.
DownUnder
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And thus the advantage of a roundabout flowing traffic better is negated. If everyone is waiting to see what the next guy will do it slows everything up. If people just signaled properly everything would be much smoother.
Irrelevant.
As previously stated the onus is on the driver entering the round about to do so safely. IMO turn signals are basically meaningless because they can't be trusted.
I doubt the use (or lack of use) of turn signals in a roundabout has much of an effect on traffic flow.
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Inside lane of roundabout is the driving lane. When you want to exit you have to change to outer lane after passing the previous exit. The only car there should be somebody yielding to get in. They can't come in whether you're signalling to exit or not because they have to go to inside lane almost immediately. Can't cross in front of you at that point. So once you come into there view they're pretty much obligated to yield because tight circle. Once they've yielded you can make safe egress at next exit. Turn signals don't help.
I always signal on roundabouts. I signal when overtaking. Shows my intentions and helps traffic flow. Roundabouts in the UK frequently had 3 lanes, sometimes more. Signalling was pretty helpful, but then again nearly everyone used signals when driving. Here...they seem optional.
My point is this: No, don't trust the signals of others, but it is your responsibility to signal your actions.
kiwi
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In NZ and Australia it's part of the law to signal when owing off the roundabout
kiwi
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The way people drive here, signals seem to be optional. . One of my pet peeves, I'm become good at mind reading the riders and drivers here
Chances are, the law there is written more definitively ("thou shalt signal when doing this action") and enforced.
The HTA law concerning signalling contains a "... where it may affect another driver" phrase that renders it almost unenforceable.
The thing that scares me more are the idiots that drive in on coming lanes to jump the line to the left turn lane.
I see this every evening with East bound traffic on Bayly St West as cars drive into the West bond lane.
I have seen drivers jump 20 cars and forcing on coming cars to dive for the right lane for safety.
I see this every evening with East bound traffic on Bayly St West as cars drive into the West bond lane.
I have seen drivers jump 20 cars and forcing on coming cars to dive for the right lane for safety.
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I'm guilty of this on occasion if traffic isn't moving but not 20 cars. I'll do a few. But I do agree that a lot of people take it to the extreme, as is the way with a lot of these types of maneuvers.
I see this all the time at EB Rexdale Blvd to turn north at Kipling Ave. There are plazas on either side of Rexdale and with people jumping into oncoming traffic, plus people pulling out of the places and the general backlog at the lights makes for a haven for collisions.
Islington nb at Rutherford. I have to fight to make a left into the community centre because of all the people lined up to turn left at Rutherford. Problem is, if they stayed in the proper lane, they would get blocked out by others doing previous said action.
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