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While I disagree with many of his choices, a cull similar to Twitter would get interesting. Everybody got five minutes with him to convey what they did and he gave thumbs up or down at the end. BED would probably survive that round. He's articulate and works hard. 18 layers of managers in the sorting stations, not so much.
 
While I disagree with many of his choices, a cull similar to Twitter would get interesting. Everybody got five minutes with him to convey what they did and he gave thumbs up or down at the end. BED would probably survive that round. He's articulate and works hard. 18 layers of managers in the sorting stations, not so much.

If you look at the bigger picture of how much of a shitshow Tesla has become using these mantras (almost non existent customer service, months wait for repairs and parts, shoddy quality, to name but 3 issues of many), I’m not sure this is the right approach.
 
If you look at the bigger picture of how much of a shitshow Tesla has become using these mantras (almost non existent customer service, months wait for repairs and parts, shoddy quality, to name but 3 issues of many), I’m not sure this is the right approach.
Like the life choices thread, musk is one end of the spectrum and public sector is the other with guaranteed jobs for life regardless of what you do and unlimited money to be spent on useless line items and people. The best line is somewhere in between.
 
Not really a end back to work with the old contract they have until the end of May to get a agreement.

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While unsurprising, what a spineless wanted move again by the libs. By may, this won't be their problem. Either they will have prorogued until October to secure their pensions or they will be defeated with their spring budget. So cp and cupw will do nothing constructive until may and then go out again. No rush as there is no government pressure if prorogued, spend the summer and fall on the line.how many months will workers be willing to put up with that before they jump ship? Is that how both sides get the needed attrition without needing to actively cut?
 
While unsurprising, what a spineless wanted move again by the libs.

For fear of turning this into yet another political rant thread, to play devils advocate, what exactly do you think PP would have done?
 
For fear of turning this into yet another political rant thread, to play devils advocate, what exactly do you think PP would have done?
There are a few useful options. Since libs killed superbox rollout, obviously politicians can also mandate it. That grossly reduces costs. Or leave them out. They've missed Christmas already. Neither side is going to give much unless they are starving. I honestly don't care if they are out for a year. Imo, they picked almost the worst possible path again. Kicking the can on structural problems with zero changes made to address the major issues.
 
There are a few useful options. Since libs killed superbox rollout, obviously politicians can also mandate it. That grossly reduces costs. Or leave them out. They've missed Christmas already. Neither side is going to give much unless they are starving. I honestly don't care if they are out for a year. Imo, they picked almost the worst possible path again. Kicking the can on structural problems with zero changes made to address the major issues.

Didn’t answer my question.

If we’re making this a “libs screwed it up again” argument, I want to hear what people think the other side would have done.
 
Didn’t answer my question.

If we’re making this a “libs screwed it up again” argument, I want to hear what people think the other side would have done.

We're never going to hear Skippy's "solutions" to anything until we're in a campaign, likely sometime in the next 3 - 4 months.

He's very good at finger pointing, complaining and making Trudeau look stupid and inept, admittedly not a challenging task. Whether he will have any real solutions, or perform better than JT remains to be seen. Could he be worse? Hard to imagine.
 
Didn’t answer my question.

If we’re making this a “libs screwed it up again” argument, I want to hear what people think the other side would have done.
I provided other options that someone with a brain could have chosen. I obviously have no idea what PP would have done. If he made the same stupid choice as the libs, I would called him a spineless wanker too.
 
But if they fail and cease operations, then what?

Do we just not have mail anymore?

Is that even a viable option?

Love it or hate it a lot of important stuff still travels by CP.
Education!

People always think there is always more somewhere. They can find more money if they look harder, fit more in if they try harder. Raising your credit limit doesn't make you richer.

CP doesn't have to cease operations, just the stupid parts. That includes the customers.
 
There are a few useful options. Since libs killed superbox rollout, obviously politicians can also mandate it. That grossly reduces costs. Or leave them out. They've missed Christmas already. Neither side is going to give much unless they are starving. I honestly don't care if they are out for a year. Imo, they picked almost the worst possible path again. Kicking the can on structural problems with zero changes made to address the major issues.
You see, the thing is, we didn't have to miss Christmas completely.
We originally gave strike notice - rotating strikes looked to be the order of the day. Shortly after our notice, CP said, "Fine, you go on rotating strikes, we lock you out." So, we went full strike.
Sure, CUPW deserves some of the blame, but CP needs to accept the vast majority of it for choosing the lockout option.
 
You see, the thing is, we didn't have to miss Christmas completely.
We originally gave strike notice - rotating strikes looked to be the order of the day. Shortly after our notice, CP said, "Fine, you go on rotating strikes, we lock you out." So, we went full strike.
Sure, CUPW deserves some of the blame, but CP needs to accept the vast majority of it for choosing the lockout option.
That's what you heard from CUPW. That doesn't mean that's what CUPW said to CP behind closed doors. I would be shocked if CUPW didn't threaten to ruin christmas as that's their biggest card. At that point, locking them out before the rush was less disruptive than potentially trapping all the presents in the system. From the outside, none of us know what actually happened.

EDIT:
On a slightly related note, 31 hours after the package I was waiting for arrived at the local sorting center, it missed the Purolator delivery truck and they will try to get it on a truck next week. Grrr.
 
OK… a few things to consider here.
CUPW have not has a raise in 6 years. We deserve a raise.
We start at something like $21/hour. If you’re lucky enough to stay in 1 staff grouping for your entire time at CP, you can make up to $31/hour after 7 years… Your wages do not move whatsoever until you a permanent hire, which usually takes 2+ years. Your tenure starts then. So it’s about a 9 year progression (under optimal conditions) to get to $31.

I’m asking you directly - does $31/hour seem unreasonable for 9 years of very physical labour? What do construction workers make? How about people working the line at Toyota? CUPW workers deserve that.

5 hour work days are a thing of the past for full time letter carriers. Get over it. You mentioned someone you knew was done after 5 hours, 20 years ago. That’s simply not the case any more.

As for staff increases, the Guelph depot hired 3 new supervisors - bringing it to a total of 9, not including senior management. 20 years ago, there were 5 supervisors with 25 more posties. You tell me what’s being inefficient here. It’s not the letter carriers.
Posties have been cut to the bone. Management has swollen massively.
If a couple both work at CP and make the $31 / hr the combined take home is likely around $100 K. In Toronto, if you could live for free, It would take a dozen years to save up to buy a house cash. In Guelph maybe eight years, way north four or five years. How do you balance that? The financial scenarios seem to be GTA based.

I question why posties need more sick days and vacation time than the non union stiff.

Job security doesn't make sense. It perpetuates poor labour and management practices.
 
I believe $31/hour is very good money to deliver the mail. I also do not believe delivering mail is as physically demanding as working in construction, or on an assembly line where the work is non-stop and you are under the watchful eye of your employer every minute of the day.

I agree that the starting wage should be a little closer to the $31 level because these workers are doing the same job. However, I also believe that those making the higher end of the pay scale are well compensated to deliver flyers to my superbox.

Canada Post is in severe need of a complete overhaul, from the top down. If they don't make drastic changes now, they are doomed.
The $31 is reasonable in some areas but not enough in Toronto / GTA.

Physically demanding includes exposure to UV (Skin cancer), RSI, slip fall injuries unless the pathways are 100% clear.

I agree a 100% makeover is required.
 
If a couple both work at CP and make the $31 / hr the combined take home is likely around $100 K. In Toronto, if you could live for free, It would take a dozen years to save up to buy a house cash. In Guelph maybe eight years, way north four or five years. How do you balance that? The financial scenarios seem to be GTA based.

I question why posties need more sick days and vacation time than the non union stiff.

Job security doesn't make sense. It perpetuates poor labour and management practices.
Sadly, the living wage arguments don't hold up to scrutiny (this applies to everyone not just CUPW). A living wage is chasing lightning. Comfort and financial security are dictated by percentiles, not dollars. If $31/hour was living wage today and everyone made that, it would no longer be a living wage as food would cost more, rent would be much higher, etc. As government employees keep getting moved up the percentile tree in negotiations, others keep getting pushed down (non government employees, pensioners, ODSP, etc). You have changed the person that is more secure but you have the same number of people that are insecure.

Windsor hospitals have Tim Hortons that pay unionized labour rates (~30/hr + benefits and pension). They lose $1500/day. Most TH pay minimum wage and make money.
 
Like health care, Canada does a poor job of communicating what things cost. The employee sees the hourly rate. They don't see total comp unless they actively seek it out (and even then it can be hard to come up with). I wish each health care visit in Ontario came with a bill showing what it cost (paid by province not patient). That may make some people question whether society benefited or lost by their visit. Similarly, if employee got a summary at the end of the year of total comp, it would open many eyes.
My doctor can't (or won't) tell me what an annual costs OHIP.
 
My doctor can't (or won't) tell me what an annual costs OHIP.
Because FD billing normally doesn't work that way. They get ~$300/patient per year with a cap. If they have a full roster (~1000 patients), they get $300K/yr gross and pay office staff and expenses out of that. If you don't see the doc, they get $300/year. If you see them ten times, they get $300/year. That's why doctors shop patients as much as patients shop doctors.

 
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