Canada Post - Huge losses

I believe $31/hour and the dangers of walking and carrying a mail bag is a moot point - we shouldn't be delivering direct-to-mailbox anywhere in Canada.

I think the day of the mailman is ready for the history books. They've dodged that bullet for 40 years -- it's time to go.
Again, the $31/hour is *AT LEAST* a 9 year journey to get there, and that’s if the stars align whilst Jupiter is ascending over Saturn on a Harvest Moon that’s somehow blue at the same time.

I agree that the community mailboxes are the way to go, but you drastically underestimate how properly lazy people are. If their mailbox on the front of their house can’t be emptied every day, do you think they’ll want to actually go to a super box? How about the elderly who have a hard time making it to the box? The last mobile route I was on had about 6 addresses that received once a week delivery, to the door due to accommodations due to health. Once that information hits the public, it will be that half the people will suddenly claim hardship and need doork-to-door.
 
You see, CP actually committed federal crimes by doing this.
As soon as there is a stamp / Indicia / Bulk Mail Markers / CP parcel information on an item, it is 100% up to CP to deliver according to the Federal Mail Act (1981).

CP has been illegally relabelling packages and sending via Purolator. There are thousands of documented cases of this across Canada. That’s why CP doesn’t want binding arbitration - they’ve committed several shady / illegal acts which would be frowned upon by an arbitrator.

As for people staying with alternate carriers - CP is by far the cheapest option to ship with *IN GENERAL*. Why would people want to pay $25 for a courier as opposed to $14 from CP?
The act appears to allow for others to deliver mail. CP is responsible for making it happen but there appears to be wording that doesn't restrict it delivery to a direct CP employee. Again with process screwups, if they got the minister to declare an emergency, it is pretty clean that CP can use anybody. "38 (1) The Corporation may, with the approval of the Minister, make such arrangements for transmitting mail in emergencies as in its opinion are necessary in the interests of the public."


Is $14 from CP real though or is that a subsidized rate? Why should the general public be subsidizing people with enough money to be couriering parcels around? We can't have good discussion about rates until the rates are sufficient to have a solvent delivery company. Now, the current rates may be sufficient if disfunction was reduced substantially but doubling rates is a hell of a lot easier and has fewer downsides for those making a living from CP than rightsizing.

CP act requires the corp to be solvent. How have losses gone on for years without anybody forcing CP management to deal with that issue? School boards can't have a deficit without explicit sign off and babysitting by the province. CP should be the same. If you need to lose money for a year, you get a babysitter and if the second year goes poorly, management should be unemployed without severance.
 
it will be that half the people will suddenly claim hardship and need doork-to-door.
There should be very very few exceptions allowed. People are whiney. On the rare case where exceptions are granted, it should be weekly delivery at most and in the interest of workflow, you get no junk mail. Only stamped mail (and government mail) should get delivered to those addresses. If you can't get out to get the mail a few houses away, you sure as hell don't need flyers. Getting rid of the 10 lbs of crap a week means the 31 lb mail bag can hold a hell of a lot of addresses of mail (and not much space needed for staging at depot).
 
Is $14 from CP real though or is that a subsidized rate? Why should the general public be subsidizing people with enough money to be couriering parcels around? We can't have good discussion about rates until the rates are sufficient to have a solvent delivery company. Now, the current rates may be sufficient if disfunction was reduced substantially but doubling rates is a hell of a lot easier and has fewer downsides for those making a living from CP than rightsizing.

Sigh. The Gov’t DOES NOT SUBSIDIZE CP. CP is technically a Crown Corporation. We are a separate entity. There are ***ZERO*** taxpayer dollars going to fun CP.

Personally, I believe, as stated earlier, that gov’t absorbtion is the way to go if people want to cry that taxes pay us. It will remove the fat-cat bonuses across the board instantly.

If that’s not in the cards, at minimum, stamps need to go to $1.65 for in-Canada delivery, on top of a “zoning” fees. It makes zero sense to deliver a letter from St. John’s NFLD to Victoria BC for the same price as Etobicoke to Mississauga.
 
There should be very very few exceptions allowed. People are whiney. On the rare case where exceptions are granted, it should be weekly delivery at most and in the interest of workflow, you get no junk mail. Only stamped mail (and government mail) should get delivered to those addresses. If you can't get out to get the mail a few houses away, you sure as hell don't need flyers. Getting rid of the 10 lbs of crap a week means the 31 lb mail bag can hold a hell of a lot of addresses of mail (and not much space needed for staging at depot).
Sorry, but HAHAHAHAHA.
CP makes pretty much ONE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR from Junk Mail.
For a regular sheet of paper, or post card or something inbetween CP charges $0.18. Posties get paid $0.012.

CP ***NEEDS*** junk mail to make it work.
 
Sorry, but HAHAHAHAHA.
CP makes pretty much ONE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR from Junk Mail.
For a regular sheet of paper, or post card or something inbetween CP charges $0.18. Posties get paid $0.012.

CP ***NEEDS*** junk mail to make it work.
As do many companies utilizing Canada Post. I am in print and signage and we are a Canada Post Partner. Rates vary based on how much you mail a year, so the more you do the cheaper your rates are. Also many non profits use Canada Post for their regular mailers seeking financial aid from donors. We have had a huge drop off for jobs coming in because of this. No one is spending the money to print something they are not sure will go out. With the news of CP going back to work we have working coming back in now as people scramble and dream about getting their order out before Christmas. Not a lot of hope of that now as CP is going to be backed up and all the mailing houses and other CP partners have been holding jobs ready to release to CP as soon as they are back at work.
 
Sigh. The Gov’t DOES NOT SUBSIDIZE CP. CP is technically a Crown Corporation. We are a separate entity. There are ***ZERO*** taxpayer dollars going to fun CP.

Personally, I believe, as stated earlier, that gov’t absorbtion is the way to go if people want to cry that taxes pay us. It will remove the fat-cat bonuses across the board instantly.

If that’s not in the cards, at minimum, stamps need to go to $1.65 for in-Canada delivery, on top of a “zoning” fees. It makes zero sense to deliver a letter from St. John’s NFLD to Victoria BC for the same price as Etobicoke to Mississauga.
They aren't funding directly yearly losses but they will without a doubt have to pay the debt if it gets absorbed or killed off. CP act requires the corporation to be financially self-sustaining. Losing $1B a year is not financially self-sustaining. It is forcing future people to subsidize current users (sound familiar? That's how most government entities are running right now).
 
Sorry, but HAHAHAHAHA.
CP makes pretty much ONE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR from Junk Mail.
For a regular sheet of paper, or post card or something inbetween CP charges $0.18. Posties get paid $0.012.

CP ***NEEDS*** junk mail to make it work.
Superbox junk mail is fine. Delivering 10 lbs of garbage to a shut-in is a waste at every level. For the special delivery addresses that can't access a superbox, dropping frequency hugely (every week or two) a nd not bothering to deliver garbage solves many of the issues with volume and staging.
 
Superbox junk mail is fine. Delivering 10 lbs of garbage to a shut-in is a waste at every level. For the special delivery addresses that can't access a superbox, dropping frequency hugely (every week or two) a nd not bothering to deliver garbage solves many of the issues with volume and staging.

The once-a-week program is already in place for those unable to access the community mail box. They receive the same flyers everyone does, as they should. Of course, they're also free to decline flyers, as anyone else is.

The number of recipients is so fantastically miniscule, the flyer issue is entirely moot.
 
The once-a-week program is already in place for those unable to access the community mail box. They receive the same flyers everyone does, as they should. Of course, they're also free to decline flyers, as anyone else is.

The number of recipients is so fantastically miniscule, the flyer issue is entirely moot.
Right now the number is small BED thought that a decent percentage of those forced to superbox would cry foul and demand accommodation. If too many people get approved for that, it makes a huge mess. Keep the numbers down and the size of their delivery is less important.
 
So I guess my only question is will my super box be superduper jammed tomorrow or will it take a few days to warm up the mini van?


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So I guess my only question is will my super box be superduper jammed tomorrow or will it take a few days to warm up the mini van?


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The first week will be delivering expired garbage. Saving the environment one garbage flyer at a time. That would have been a good green initiative to put carbon tax on them.
 
Sigh. The Gov’t DOES NOT SUBSIDIZE CP. CP is technically a Crown Corporation. We are a separate entity. There are ***ZERO*** taxpayer dollars going to fun CP.

Personally, I believe, as stated earlier, that gov’t absorbtion is the way to go if people want to cry that taxes pay us. It will remove the fat-cat bonuses across the board instantly.

If that’s not in the cards, at minimum, stamps need to go to $1.65 for in-Canada delivery, on top of a “zoning” fees. It makes zero sense to deliver a letter from St. John’s NFLD to Victoria BC for the same price as Etobicoke to Mississauga.
The gov wholly owns Canada Post and guarantees its debts with taxpayers' money.

Absorption is not going to happen. Gov't moves entities into crown corporations to make them ready and viable for privatization.

As a country develops, govts must play a roll in developing infrastructure and essential services. Once the free market has the resources and know-how -- it comes time for gov't to sell those businesses like they did with CNR, Air Canada, Ontario Hydro, and PetroCan.

Next on the block should be Canada Post, CBC, Via Rail, CMHC, and in Ontario - LCBO. The free market has proven they can deliver these services better, faster, and cheaper than any Crown Corp.
 
Canada Post, CBC, Via Rail, CMHC, and in Ontario - LCBO. The free market has proven they can deliver these services better, faster, and cheaper than any Crown Corp.
CP may be worth something.

VIA is worth less than zero, it loses money at a ridiculous pace, has few customers and is subordinate to CPKS/CN on their tracks. They've started weighing carry-ons now like airlines and charging if you're overweight. That's not how trains work. That is a money grab.

Which part of CMHC? They have a lot of silos under their umbrella.

LCBO should be monetized. It would make decent money and minimally affect provincial revenue as the vast majority of the provincial cut (probably more than 100% of it) is in the fees and taxes that will remain. Operating the stores is really expensive and I won't be surprised if they lose money on every bottle sold when you look at profit vs expenses (ignoring the ingrained fees and taxes). Or don't sell it and franchise it to an operator. We retain ownership, costs drop, provincial income goes up with cut, franchisee makes bank too.
 
Sorry, but HAHAHAHAHA.
CP makes pretty much ONE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR from Junk Mail.
For a regular sheet of paper, or post card or something inbetween CP charges $0.18. Posties get paid $0.012.

CP ***NEEDS*** junk mail to make it work.
That's not how it works. CPC may bill $1B for all that junk mail, but there are large costs in selling, marketing, and running a complicated demographically targeted service. You also need some expensive people to offer a complex service like Junk Mail.

All that junk does is help CPC lose less money.
 
You see, CP actually committed federal crimes by doing this.
As soon as there is a stamp / Indicia / Bulk Mail Markers / CP parcel information on an item, it is 100% up to CP to deliver according to the Federal Mail Act (1981).

CP has been illegally relabelling packages and sending via Purolator. There are thousands of documented cases of this across Canada. That’s why CP doesn’t want binding arbitration - they’ve committed several shady / illegal acts which would be frowned upon by an arbitrator.

As for people staying with alternate carriers - CP is by far the cheapest option to ship with *IN GENERAL*. Why would people want to pay $25 for a courier as opposed to $14 from CP?

We did it.. Not CP.

How did the relabelled packages get from CP to Puro?

We ship about 40m packages a year.. there's nothing "general" about the prices we pay to any of our carriers. The prices we pay are ours.
Some times CP is cheaper.. a lot of times.. it's not.
 
Sigh. The Gov’t DOES NOT SUBSIDIZE CP. CP is technically a Crown Corporation. We are a separate entity. There are ***ZERO*** taxpayer dollars going to fun CP.

Personally, I believe, as stated earlier, that gov’t absorbtion is the way to go if people want to cry that taxes pay us. It will remove the fat-cat bonuses across the board instantly.

If that’s not in the cards, at minimum, stamps need to go to $1.65 for in-Canada delivery, on top of a “zoning” fees. It makes zero sense to deliver a letter from St. John’s NFLD to Victoria BC for the same price as Etobicoke to Mississauga.

Who pays for the employee pensions?
 
We did it.. Not CP.

How did the relabelled packages get from CP to Puro?

We ship about 40m packages a year.. there's nothing "general" about the prices we pay to any of our carriers. The prices we pay are ours.
Some times CP is cheaper.. a lot of times.. it's not.
On that note, I don't think the arbitrator would gaf about the possible relabeled packages. There are enough fundamental issues to be worked through (some so major that I don't know if arbitration is even possible), why would they care about how packages got moved during the strike? It's totally out of their scope. If relabeling packages is a legal or policy issue, rcmp should investigate that.

Has there ever been an arbitrator that detonated a business? Normally they pick a middle point on comp/benefits and both sides are unhappy. Can an arbitrator order CP to cut 30% of management labour costs and 30% on comp to CUPW members? For each side, either less dollars per person or less people? I have no idea on the scope of their power. I have no faith that either side will ask for the necessary measures for survival as that hurts them financially in the short-term. Can an arbitrator reject both positions and substitute their own? It would be interesting and there would be a lot of blood but imo that's the best chance for survival of CP. Alternative is kill it and let something else arise in it's place. A bill created CP as a crown corp, a bill could kill CP as a crown corp and create CP2 with no connection to the first one.
 
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If that’s not in the cards, at minimum, stamps need to go to $1.65 for in-Canada delivery, on top of a “zoning” fees. It makes zero sense to deliver a letter from St. John’s NFLD to Victoria BC for the same price as Etobicoke to Mississauga.
Networks have concentrated costs at the ends. Distance between the fists postal station and the last in a letter's journey have a small impact on cost, but insignificant compared to the first and last mile. It may cast more to deliver a letter from Etobicoke to Mississauga than St. Johns to Vancouver.
You see, CP actually committed federal crimes by doing this.
As soon as there is a stamp / Indicia / Bulk Mail Markers / CP parcel information on an item, it is 100% up to CP to deliver according to the Federal Mail Act (1981).
Nope. CPC has a mandate to get the mail delivered. It's not restricted to using its own to do so. You think there's a Postie in the cockpit and on the ramp of every cargo jet that carries mail around the country? CPC has a monopoly, all that means is they control the market for mail.
CP has been illegally relabelling packages and sending via Purolator. There are thousands of documented cases of this across Canada. That’s why CP doesn’t want binding arbitration - they’ve committed several shady / illegal acts which would be frowned upon by an arbitrator.
That's not illegal either.
As for people staying with alternate carriers - CP is by far the cheapest option to ship with *IN GENERAL*. Why would people want to pay $25 for a courier as opposed to $14 from CP?
CP may be cheaper for Grandma to send her annual Xmas box across the country. Since about 2015, CPC package costs for small businesses are no longer cheaper for a small business - I can send packages for less using Puro, Fedex and UPS - PLUS - I can be sure they aren't getting carded at the destination end.

I can sent 1KG 30x30x30 box from Toronto to Calgary for $29 using CPC, or $13 using Puro.
 
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