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PrivatePilot said:
Things will change now that don’t necessarily involve slashing and cutting. We are sitting on endless goldmines of resources that the world wants and needs. It’s time to start exploiting those. Yes, it might be environmentally damaging to an extent when mines open and pipelines get built, but if there’s one thing that’s happened in the last 48 hours, it’s that the country has become polarized and united. Restrictions are going to go away. Resources will be extracted. We will diversify our markets. It must happen, it will happen now, and we as a country will benefit in the long term.

It’s time to move away from that neighbour that has decided they’ll show up on your doorstep and randomly punch you in the face when they feel like it.

I even saw some Indigenous in the media over the weekend saying that they need to reconsider their objections to pipelines as even they realize it’s going to be needed moving ahead.

Things. Have. Changed.



Having seen some of the vitriol aimed squarely at Canadians on various social media platforms in the last few days, it’s left a terrible taste in my mouth for the American citizens at large. I know they didn’t all vote for him, but many of those that did are now feeling free to come out of their shell and tell the world how they feel about the *rest* of the world, and it’s not pretty. Going to a place like West Virginia now where they voted 70% for Trump, and likely many of those same people now look at Canadians as “parasites feeding off the USA” (yes, I saw that posted online), well, how can we in good faith go where we’re looked at like this, much less spend our money there?
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We are essentially feeding off the US and have been for a long time.

Put yourself in their shoes. I'm not saying to the extreme level. But can you honestly say there's not valid sentiment about that friendly neighbour to the north whose slacking in many many shared areas?
 
Evoex said:
We are essentially feeding off the US and have been for a long time.

Put yourself in their shoes. I'm not saying to the extreme level. But can you honestly say there's not valid sentiment about that friendly neighbour to the north whose slacking in many many shared areas?
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Canada has become complacent and was happy with the easy arrangement of having a massive trading partner next door.

But as @PrivatePilot correctly pointed out, this COULD be that required catalyst that gets Canada to pull it's big boy pants up and become a major power. We have the talent, we have the resources, and we have the capability to transition to other partnerships.

Very rarely is the easiest path the best or most profitable. It's easy. Nothing more.

Now...moving away from a good partner is difficult, but for the benefit of the country, economy, and all people within it...it will need a unified approach and unfortunately some eggs will need to be cracked (mining regulation, First Nations objections, land rights, etc) in the building up of such a powerhouse.

But...it needs political, social, and economic backing. Otherwise...we'll be back here in 2-3-5-12-24-60 months...whenever someone decides they no longer want to work together.

We also should put a moratorium on any foreign powers from buying up our resources, mines, manufacturing, etc.
 
mimico_polak said:
Canada has become complacent and was happy with the easy arrangement of having a massive trading partner next door.

But as @PrivatePilot correctly pointed out, this COULD be that required catalyst that gets Canada to pull it's big boy pants up and become a major power. We have the talent, we have the resources, and we have the capability to transition to other partnerships.

Very rarely is the easiest path the best or most profitable. It's easy. Nothing more.

Now...moving away from a good partner is difficult, but for the benefit of the country, economy, and all people within it...it will need a unified approach and unfortunately some eggs will need to be cracked (mining regulation, First Nations objections, land rights, etc) in the building up of such a powerhouse.

But...it needs political, social, and economic backing. Otherwise...we'll be back here in 2-3-5-12-24-60 months...whenever someone decides they no longer want to work together.

We also should put a moratorium on any foreign powers from buying up our resources, mines, manufacturing, etc.
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I suspect the US will have a beef with us becoming a rival on the world stage. We shall see!
 
As soon as Trump won the election, it should have been mandatory for every member of parliament to read his book "The art of the Deal". Get an idea of how he thinks and does business. He loves making/threatening outlandish demands, then expects the other party to talk him down to a level HE is comfortable with.

The Canadian govt needs to figure out what he actually wants and deal with him like a businessman, instead of making threats and thumping their chests.

It is impossible for canada to pivot the entire economy away from the states overnight (imo it would take the better part of a decade) and if we try we will end up a failed state with a 3rd world coutry credit rating.
 
DownUnder said:
Easiest way for Trump to get an insane amout of support overnight to crush us economically 😆 Also I'm pretty sure they would have backup generators anyway.
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Or, a way (not easy) to wake up the supporters up.
There's words falling out of his mouth atm.
"Canada doesn't treat us well".
US population in the possible black our zone know that's BS.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Having seen some of the vitriol aimed squarely at Canadians on various social media platforms in the last few days, it’s left a terrible taste in my mouth for the American citizens at large. I know they didn’t all vote for him, but many of those that did are now feeling free to come out of their shell and tell the world how they feel about the *rest* of the world, and it’s not pretty. Going to a place like West Virginia now where they voted 70% for Trump, and likely many of those same people now look at Canadians as “parasites feeding off the USA” (yes, I saw that posted online), well, how can we in good faith go where we’re looked at like this, much less spend our money there?
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In all the years I've spent in the US in a car or on a bike, maybe 3 - 4 weeks a year, I've yet to encounter hostility or rudeness or aggression from an American. Most are friendly and interested in us and can't believe we've riden so far on a bike.

I'm concerned this is going to change this year as many American's are pretty PO'd that Canadians booed their national anthem at a few sports events. I can guarantee you that Canadians in the US now, in particular those driving with Canadian license plates, may well feel a lot of hostility and even be the victims of aggressive acts. Let's hope not.

The other issue here is that we, collectively, may well have misplayed our hand on this. Trump has to be seen to "win" or he will not "negotiate" a settlement to this tariff issue. Mexico talked about retaliatory tariffs and action, but implemented nothing and bought time from Trump. Canada, on the other hand, is already pulling US stock off the shelves and DoFo made a public announcement about cancelling the Musk Starlink contract. Add to this the perceived disrespect of the booing.

I guarantee you we're going to pay for this in the discussions taking place today (now actually) and it only adds to the concessions Canada will have to make to get a reprieve. Trump is likely going to demand troops at the border, rescindment of the buy Canadian order and reinstatement of the Starlink contract for his buddy Elon. Trump needs his pound of flesh and he hates Trudeau, he will want to make him grovel.

I agree with all of the plans to cancel contracts, buy Canadian, impose tariffs etc....... but the timing is off. Announce and implement after Trumps enacts his tariffs and negotiations have failed, if this transpires. Trump has the upper hand here, we need to bow to him and play him so he can announce on Truth Social that we caved and he is the best.
 
I agree with @ReSTored ... we not only showed our hand, but now expect to play it.

Let's see what JT gives up to push off this tariff war.

Trump needs to look like he 'won', and it won't be easy.

Putting troops on the border is insane. We don't have the resources, and our long border cannot be watched. PP already offered to put up watch towers and helicopters and what not. He's already given in to Trump...too bad he's not the one in charge so his words mean literally nothing.

PP folded like a cheap suit...let's see what JT does and whether he can continue with the strong stance / performance as he did on Saturday.
 
We have cards to play, some very powerful ones.

Some nuclear ones.

It’s becoming more and more clear that this is less about fair trade and all about trying to annex us.

Nobody should suggest that we should just go quietly into the night to appease the orange fuhrur. This is what he wants.
 
PrivatePilot said:
We have cards to play, some very powerful ones.

Some nuclear ones
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Wait, what? Do you suggest we threaten the most powerful nation in the world with nuclear war? I didn't realize Canada was so powerful. If you mean nuclear as in uranium exports, the US has another very close ally that happens to have the biggest uranium deposits on the planet...
 
Re Kentucky - Australia had that with China when they hit Australian wine industry - it's okay no but was brutual for vinters
 
PrivatePilot said:
We have cards to play, some very powerful ones.

Some nuclear ones.

It’s becoming more and more clear that this is less about fair trade and all about trying to annex us.

Nobody should suggest that we should just go quietly into the night to appease the orange fuhrur. This is what he wants.
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You really believe this whole charade is a ploy to annex Canada? Interesting.
 
ReSTored said:
In all the years I've spent in the US in a car or on a bike, maybe 3 - 4 weeks a year, I've yet to encounter hostility or rudeness or aggression from an American. Most are friendly and interested in us and can't believe we've riden so far on a bike.

I'm concerned this is going to change this year as many American's are pretty PO'd that Canadians booed their national anthem at a few sports events. I can guarantee you that Canadians in the US now, in particular those driving with Canadian license plates, may well feel a lot of hostility and even be the victims of aggressive acts. Let's hope not.

The other issue here is that we, collectively, may well have misplayed our hand on this. Trump has to be seen to "win" or he will not "negotiate" a settlement to this tariff issue. Mexico talked about retaliatory tariffs and action, but implemented nothing and bought time from Trump. Canada, on the other hand, is already pulling US stock off the shelves and DoFo made a public announcement about cancelling the Musk Starlink contract. Add to this the perceived disrespect of the booing.

I guarantee you we're going to pay for this in the discussions taking place today (now actually) and it only adds to the concessions Canada will have to make to get a reprieve. Trump is likely going to demand troops at the border, rescindment of the buy Canadian order and reinstatement of the Starlink contract for his buddy Elon. Trump needs his pound of flesh and he hates Trudeau, he will want to make him grovel.

I agree with all of the plans to cancel contracts, buy Canadian, impose tariffs etc....... but the timing is off. Announce and implement after Trumps enacts his tariffs and negotiations have failed, if this transpires. Trump has the upper hand here, we need to bow to him and play him so he can announce on Truth Social that we caved and he is the best.
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Just about every political leader fell for Trump's blustering. He should have been ignored until he ran out of wind and then "I'm sorry, what did you say? I wasn't listening." Rinse, repeat, until he calms down.
 
Hmmmm. Watching the markets. Inauguration sent the markets way up.(sell sell sell) Threatening the economy sends the markets spiralling down. (buy buy buy) He is a smart business man.
 
DownUnder said:
Wait, what? Do you suggest we threaten the most powerful nation in the world with nuclear war? I didn't realize Canada was so powerful. If you mean nuclear as in uranium exports, the US has another very close ally that happens to have the biggest uranium deposits on the planet...
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It’s a euphemism (of course) for an action like invalidating their pharmaceutical patents.

Read about that.
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