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They are still going to charge service fees, but they are going to be optional for those that want their services, mostly enterprise. I guess its competition that is driving this change. Perhaps this puts more money in the pockets of their carriers which will perhaps push carriers to sell the products harder. Not really sure but you would think their is a good reason for this. However, hopefully the new BB10 phones sell well. If they do, than RIM will start making money again in hardware.

As for the stock, this is par for the course for RIM. Sentiment changes just like that. The stock is going to take a major blow today but I don't know how much of it is going to be real selling. Those short on RIM are going to try and tear it apart today but we'll see if some big buyers come in to help the share price a bit.
 
raginduck said:
Really? How so?
My debt is costing me 2.75%....
My investments have earned me about 21% this year.

Should I be paying down my debt... or keep putting into my investments?
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Because your 21% is never certain until after the fact ;)
And his debt is more like 20%

20% return is not a common number for everybody, otherwise EVERYBODY would be doing it, right!?
World couldve ended and your stocks completely plummeted, and where would you be now? !:D
Basically getting 21% means that you entailed greater risk and it paid off, but in his case where he doesnt have the cash and has collection agencies after him, the risk MIGHT NOT be the smartest thing to do as it can always go 3 ways, go bad, stay the same or profiiit lol
 
LePhillou said:
Because your 21% is never certain until after the fact ;)
And his debt is more like 20%

20% return is not a common number for everybody, otherwise EVERYBODY would be doing it, right!?
World couldve ended and your stocks completely plummeted, and where would you be now? !:D
Basically getting 21% means that you entailed greater risk and it paid off, but in his case where he doesnt have the cash and has collection agencies after him, the risk MIGHT NOT be the smartest thing to do as it can always go 3 ways, go bad, stay the same or profiiit lol
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I don't call them gains until they are realized.
Everybody should be doing it... to some degree!


My advice to the OP in his C.C thread was to not pay off those collections debts, as it'll do him no good by doing so, and open a TFSA with the money instead.... and not an RRSP.
 
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raginduck said:
I don't call them gains until they are realized.
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Exactly. So basically putting money towards 20% debt
Or putting money towards an investment with uncertain return (for the OP's sake)
I'd say pay the debt.
 
ep1x said:
If I miss this opp. I'm going to regret when its running at 25-30. I'll make due with my current situation, just sets me back 2 months.
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^^^ that's funny

BB will never see $25 to $30 again
 
raginduck said:
I don't call them gains until they are realized.
Everybody should be doing it... to some degree!


My advice to the OP in his C.C thread was to not pay off those collections debts, as it'll do him no good by doing so, and open a TFSA with the money instead.... and not an RRSP.
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Would you deem this as the responsible thing to do?
The more people dont pay off, the more people are deemed risky, the higher the rates gets for everybody! (for c.c at least)
+ his credit will be affected for a longer period of time depending on how that collection agency works. (anyhow i know he's paid off one of them with gambling... stock markets are just another form of it!)

Anyhow, i dont like spreading the gospel that not paying money owed is alright, so ill agree to disagree with you! :)
 
FemmeFatale said:
^^^ that's funny

BB will never see $25 to $30 again
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SunnY S said:
Really? based on what do you come to this conclusion?
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Never say never ... but what are the chances that BB10 will exceed the capabilities of Apple and Android devices by a sufficient margin so as to take significant market share back? Particularly since Apple has made inroads in RIM's previously entrenched commercial / business markets?

There is a significant probability that either BB10 will underwhelm from the outset, or that IF it really is a stunning leap forward, that RIM's competitors will have a response ready for it within months. If either of those situations happens, and I figure that's the greatest probability, RIM will either continue to stumble along, or go down and get bought up for their patents. In either of those cases, you don't want to be in the stock.

There is a possibility that BB10 will be a home run. Do you really think that Apple won't have a response?
 
raginduck said:
I don't call them gains until they are realized.
Everybody should be doing it... to some degree!


My advice to the OP in his C.C thread was to not pay off those collections debts, as it'll do him no good by doing so, and open a TFSA with the money instead.... and not an RRSP.
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Try this instead....borrow a lump sum but feed it into an account slowly. Declare that as income to borrow more. Take that new borrowed amount and invest in high yield penny stocks, or the ponies. Aim to leverage as close to 10:1 as possible. Don't worry about "debts".
 
SunnY S said:
Really? based on what do you come to this conclusion?
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Based on the QNX / BB10 white elephant! They aint no Qualcom behind the scenes type outfit either, and their security and data compression niche are on the verge of being TOTALLY negated. Try finding a single IT tech willing to defend bb to the hords of individuals who would rather buy their own phone than be issued a company bb handset!!! Even my 64 year old father turned it down this week!!!!

They can't even post launch hype like MS win8, let alone pre launch hype like Samsung or Apple. Its over. This last rally is a shorters recoup rally.

I got a handful of RIM employee friends, and they have been silent in defence of RIM and BB10, if not outright skeptical since August!

Challenge 2, find 1 or more RIM employees hyping BB10 among your personal contacts, hell even find one in the media!!! Thornstein doesn't count.
 
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Brian P said:
Never say never ...
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This is my point. Nobody really knows.

Analysts, and even on this very forum, people claimed that RIM wouldn't be around or have enough money for BB10 launch. Others have said RIM would be bankrupt every year since 2008.

Now they are on to the bold proclamation since RIM is clearly in a decent financial position.... BB10 will flop. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. But at this point, RIM have no other choice but to move full steam ahead.

From my perspective, RIM is in a far better position than Nokia, HP, Dell, HTC, and maybe even mobile division of LG. These guys are all at the mercy of Google and Microsoft, and now have to compete directly with them as these tech giants are producing their own hardware. What good is that?

The desktop PC is dying a slow death, and Mobile is the future. Arguably, RIM is in a better position to capitalize in this market more than the PC makers, if they can pull off BB10. They are established, they have 79 million subscribers, they have tasted whats its like to be at the top at one point, and the new product seems to be very compelling. Will it be enough though?

Nobody says RIM is going to take over the market, the CEO has been realistic in his projections, "we have a clear shot at #3 spot" after Apple and Samsung.

Will they do it?

NOBODY REALLY KNOWS...... analysts change their tune as often as the weather changes.

but it will be fun to watch in the next year or two.

Competition is a good thing. Welcome it. We wouldn't have some of the excellent products we do today if it weren't for healthy competition.

Heres to hoping RIM does well.


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RIMs marketing video that got leaked out a while ago by advertising employee, and got taken down within a few hours. Unknown at this point whether RIM will carry on with this campaign.

Apparently Lady GaGa, JK Rowling, Ridley Scott are among those on board for launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tr_o1dQzs
 
SunnY S said:
RIMs marketing video that got leaked out a while ago by advertising employee, and got taken down within a few hours. Unknown at this point whether RIM will carry on with this campaign.

Apparently Lady GaGa, JK Rowling, Ridley Scott are among those on board for launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tr_o1dQzs
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Looks leaps ahead of their "bb people" kneecapped campaign back in March. But this wont take off.
1) they dont have the marketing pedigree to follow through. This will be a damp squib as they say. "The twitterverse will be abuzz". Meh.
2) EVERY THING they mentioned as features has been done by Apple and Android already, and in the case of Android, on free apps. RIM will have to run a subsidized free app limited time campaign to get Joe Public on board. They have already been doing this and it is a tepid mild success at best, more of a bandaid. The bb app market is stale and stalling. Nothing new, nothing innovative, nothing productive, just a few glossed over priced games. EVERY SINGLE APP FOR BB WORKS FAR WORSE THAN ITS ANDROID OR APPLE COUNTERPART BY A HUGE MARGIN!
3) RIM doesn't have the mobile infrastructure to compete with MS for 3rd place. MS got the jump with a cross platform system that can run apps to programs! Every solution to every required degree of professional productivity. RIM will have a phone at best, not even a competitive tablet.
4) celebrity endorsements really? Why not run 2 am infomercial testimonials too? The key is to hype this to the masses like the next must have gadget and back it with thee best device on the market. Not pay someone to prove they can hash out a short story or record some audio. Gaga is wacked out and one of the worst advocates. She'll hype rancid meat for momentary shock value. PS, even if it is effective MS beat them to market with Gwen Stefani!.
5) All in all a better approach but 2 years too late. Even celebs joke about the shame of being seen with a bb
6) bb10 is another bandaid to stem the exodus of loyal bb fanbois. Within 1 year they better come blazing with innovation to change direction which is beyond their resources to execute. FFS their name is Research in Motion, the company should be largely a cutting edge R&D juggernaut, instead they are Reaction in Malaise!
 
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Here is one analysts thoughts..... could be right but could be wrong....however,

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100331768

if they can move 3-5 million units in 1st quarter, and another 5 mil in the second quarter, "this would be considered a good launch" and their stock could rise to $25-$35

With 79 million subscribers, is this not a realistic goal?

Also,

"Well, when we first had our "underperform" rating, the chances of success or support we thought for BB 10 was virtually nil," Misek said, however, after surveying carriers around the globe in early November, however, his opinion changed. "And it was stunning — we came back with 40 or 50 carriers saying they were actively going to push this device," Misek said. "They were going to support it. They were going to provide co-marketing dollars and really key in-store placement."


​And if they get bought out?? :)
 
Gary said:
Hopeful investors...........shorts covering / not playing on Friday?
Can't be the fact that Bentley will be using RIM / QNX in their cars, is it?
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If I had to take a guess.... lots of good news to report recently :

-today, Thorsten Heins, RIM CEO, hasn't even been on the job a full year yet, was named Executive of the Year by Kantech.

-Upon launch, RIM will have 70,000+ apps right off the bat. They promise 90% of the Top 700 apps from Google and Apple will be available for BB10 with much more coming. For comparison, Windows only had 5000 on launch.

-RIM announced that 6 new phones models will be released from low end to high end to cover the worldwide market.

-We've heard from RIM, that the carriers were "excited for the product". True to their words, just recently, the Top carriers in the US (Verizon, ATT, Sprint, etc) have all announced support for BB10, along with all the Canadian major players, along with Future Shop and Best Buy. And 155+ carriers worldwide! This is fantastic market coverage!

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/cate...px?icmp=homepage_20130111_s2_BlackBerry-10_en
http://blackberry10.bell.ca/en/

Now, LOTS of respected tech sites and media, many who were among the "RIM is dead camp", have suddenly changed their tune, Here are just a few :

Gizmodo - The complete BB10 video walkthrough : Surprise, its neat!
http://gizmodo.com/5974362/the-complete-blackberry-10-video-walkthrough-surprise-its-neat

Gizmodo - I wish iOS and Android had the Blackberry 10 keyboard
http://gizmodo.com/5974640/i-wish-e...-had-the-blackberry-10-keyboard?post=56005310

Fox News - Blackberry 10 is actually pretty awesome.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/11/blackberry-10-is-actually-pretty-awesome/

Digital Trends - Blackberry 10 -- We've used it and its awesome.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/blackberry-10-hands-on-awesome/

ZDnet - Blackberry 10 is the smartphone platform I am most excited about for 2013
http://www.zdnet.com/blackberry-10-...-i-am-most-excited-about-for-2013-7000009659/

Forbes - 10 reasons to hope for Blackberry 10
http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/01/10/10-reasons-to-hope-for-blackberry-10/

TechnoBuffalo - Im ready to buy Blackberry again
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/01/09/im-ready-to-buy-a-blackberry-again/

BGR - Blackberry demand strong, confirms carrier
http://bgr.com/2013/01/10/blackberry-10-demand-analysis-287451/

There are others, but you get the idea.


These guys are going for it ALL IN. All the best to them. Go RIM, Go Canada!
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