Beer store monopoly collapsing

[sburns]

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The system was rigged years ago, no one (government or whoever has interests) is just going to give up the lucrative taxes and income.
Just another thing we (the average joe) in Ontario are being f-d over by.

 

[Mad Mike]

socialist....lol
wanting your neighbors to be comfortable
so your town doesn't turn into a sh*thole
is now socialism?? LMAO

The want is not socialism. The way you say we out to achieve it is.

By the way, my town is a shining example of how a completely free market can exist, providing very well paying jobs with virtually zero need for unions. Ask Oshawa Maybe the free market actually works?

Visit Alberta , selection went down and prices went up . Privatization in Ontario would be just dumb. The LCBO has the best buying power of any booze outlet in the world , the prices are mostly tax and if Fred at the corner sells it , he can charge whatever he wants PLUS the tax.
TBS is an anomaly in our market , but regardless of who sells beer , the taxes won’t change , convenience maybe , but joe twofour is never getting the break he thinks he will.
Doughy is dilussional, his buck a beer plan was based on the 70’s .


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You can't compare Alberta to Ontario -- they simply don't have the scale or distribution infrastructure to take on a major commodity. Compare it to any border state -- to be more realistic. 24 domestic beers is always available for $15CAD in Buffalo, $5 of that is tax, $327 in QC with $20 being tax. The same beer is $45 in Ontario -- with $20 being tax. That means Buffalo brewers/distributors & retailers share $10. In Ontario, there is $25 for brewer/distributor/retailer to share -- a big chunk of that is taken by TBS.

That same beer distributed thru Costco would be closer to $30/case, about what is paid in QC where they do not have a monopoly distributor.

 

[Mad Mike]

Ooops

 

[J_F]

the way I want to go about it...lol
this has been the distribution chain since before anyone on this forum was born
same with collective bargaining agreements

if you want Ontario to become like a Right to Work sh*thole state
sure, let's model after Alabama

#1 industry of cross state commerce is crushed stone
they are literally in the stone age
let's compete with that in a race to the bottom
we have much more stone, much nicer stone

thread is on the scrap heap
Ford mania can't be reasoned with

 

[FullMotoJacket]

yes, very bad story for TBS workers
and they are generally a pretty good bunch
pleasant and hard working

You’ve obviously never had the pleasure of shopping at the Waterdown store.

 

[jc100]

I agree with you, it sucks. But why should public sector workers and unions be shielded from it? Gravy train days are over.
I always think of GM before they were bailed out.
You pay mostly high school educated people the equivalent of $69 USD (pay + benefits + pension + healthcare for worker and spouse), thats about $95 CAD an hour using the average historical exchange rate, in an area where the cost of living is low.
Some of their employees were so comfortable in their union backed jobs that they were out drinking at bars while on the clock.
Of course nobody gives a ****, lack of innovation, production of garbage products... what could go wrong lol

I have interacted with many teachers. Mostly middle aged woman and many who feel like they are hard done by.
Many became teachers when it was incredibly easy to, when it didnt require a university degree or when teachers college was at most, 8 months.
The average salary of a public sector teacher in Ontario is over $90000. They actually teach 4.5 hours a day, work only 200 days a year. They do not work on holidays, EVER. They have gold plated pensions and benefits. Job security the average person could only dream of.
Yet they all think they have it tough.
They would be in for a rude awakening in the real world.

I know plenty of teachers. None of the ones I know are near that salary and a few of them work two jobs to get by. Teaching 4.5h a day isn’t the end of their day, there’s quite a bit more to it than that. If you think it’s so easy, off you go and do it. Me, I wouldn’t do it.

 

[J_F]

You’ve obviously never had the pleasure of shopping at the Waterdown store.

nah

don't know where that is
Watertown is close to me
cheap gas and beer

last stop before the border
but calling that stuff beer is questionable at best

 

[sburns]

I know plenty of teachers. None of the ones I know are near that salary and a few of them work two jobs to get by. Teaching 4.5h a day isn’t the end of their day, there’s quite a bit more to it than that. If you think it’s so easy, off you go and do it. Me, I wouldn’t do it.

I wouldn't do it either, but teaching a grade 4 class would be pretty comfortable. I doubt that homework wouldn't be very hard to mark after hours.

 

[Mad Mike]

I know plenty of teachers. None of the ones I know are near that salary and a few of them work two jobs to get by. Teaching 4.5h a day isn’t the end of their day, there’s quite a bit more to it than that. If you think it’s so easy, off you go and do it. Me, I wouldn’t do it.

I know lots too... If they teach high school they are close of over $100K a year. Both my brother and I are teachers, he teaches in the public school system, me in the private sector. He has class work of 4.5 hours a day + about 1.5 hours of prep, marking and admin. He's done it for 15 years, His days are 9-3, he never takes work home unless he's goofing off during the day. He gets 13 stat days, 3 PA days and 3 weeks vacation between Labor day and the end of June, PLUS 9 weeks vacation in the summer (if he doesn't collect another $15K for teaching 30 x 4hour days of summer school).

I'm not going to complain that my work is harder (it is). Our comp is similar, my expectations for performance are considerably higher, and I work 48 weeks a year, 37.5 hours a week -- about double what he works.

 

[crankcall]

There is the big difference between public and private schools, public schools get certified teachers, teachers college and union backing. Private not so much, there are many teachers at places like Montessori that are not accredited teachers, and no union.
The scond layer on that onion , you get students that have been booted from the public system or cant swim with the faster fishes and parents think private school with smaller class size will help 'jimmy' get educated. And you get teachers that cant get hired into the public system.

 

[wonderings]

I know plenty of teachers. None of the ones I know are near that salary and a few of them work two jobs to get by. Teaching 4.5h a day isn’t the end of their day, there’s quite a bit more to it than that. If you think it’s so easy, off you go and do it. Me, I wouldn’t do it.

Do those teachers you know who are working 2 jobs to get by have some serious debts they need to pay off? Ontario teachers are among the highest paid teachers in the world. They get paid very well, great benefits and a fantastic pension. My sister and her husband make a fraction of what Ontario teachers make in the US where teaching is not a really sought after job. Here there is a waiting list to become a teacher. A good friend was a supply teacher for 7 years before a spot cleared up for him. He is now in and life is looking much rosier for him, no going on unemployment for the summer, kids and wife getting all the benefits, he is not hurting at all making a very good wage.

Allan Richarz: Ontario’s teachers are overpaid

 

[backmarkerducati]

The current contract expires in 2025. There is no cost benefit in breaking it now vs letting it run out. This is all about wasting tax payers money to keep us all distracted. It is right out of Wynne's play book, every time the heat was on she brought up beer and wine sales, now Dougie will do the same....both all funded with YOUR money boys and girls.

Heat is on about whatever, hey let's talk about beer...

 

[wonderings]

The current contract expires in 2025. There is no cost benefit in breaking it now vs letting it run out. This is all about wasting tax payers money to keep us all distracted. It is right out of Wynne's play book, every time the heat was on she brought up beer and wine sales, now Dougie will do the same....both all funded with YOUR money boys and girls.

Heat is on about whatever, hey let's talk about beer...

I like to think it is getting back freedoms. Though I do think if it cannot be done cheaply (what in government is?) then they should wait it out till the contract is finished. That being said, I would rather pay now and have it done with then wait and have a new government in place that is not going to do away with this.

I am not OK with the government having so much control, not sure why anyone is. The world will not end if you can buy beer at a corner store.

 

[caboose56]

My favourite is seeing this wasteful spending criticized, then someone comments about the previous liberal govt’s wasteful spending.

It makes me want to slam my hand... or face... in a door

 

[GreyGhost]

I like to think it is getting back freedoms. Though I do think if it cannot be done cheaply (what in government is?) then they should wait it out till the contract is finished. That being said, I would rather pay now and have it done with then wait and have a new government in place that is not going to do away with this.

I am not OK with the government having so much control, not sure why anyone is. The world will not end if you can buy beer at a corner store.

That's why I'd prefer Dougie set something up that makes it very difficult/impossible for these stupid deals to exist. Unless there was another majority government prior to 2025 (which I think is unlikely), it really wouldn't matter which party was elected, they couldn't unwind the legislation.

 

[jc100]

Do those teachers you know who are working 2 jobs to get by have some serious debts they need to pay off? Ontario teachers are among the highest paid teachers in the world. They get paid very well, great benefits and a fantastic pension. My sister and her husband make a fraction of what Ontario teachers make in the US where teaching is not a really sought after job. Here there is a waiting list to become a teacher. A good friend was a supply teacher for 7 years before a spot cleared up for him. He is now in and life is looking much rosier for him, no going on unemployment for the summer, kids and wife getting all the benefits, he is not hurting at all making a very good wage.

Allan Richarz: Ontario’s teachers are overpaid

No, they just can’t crack the full time positions. They are on a list and have been for a while so it’s multiple part time gigs and they work hard. One was at a school in a particularly rough area and has seriously thought about throwing in the towel.

 

[wonderings]

No, they just can’t crack the full time positions. They are on a list and have been for a while so it’s multiple part time gigs and they work hard. One was at a school in a particularly rough area and has seriously thought about throwing in the towel.

Substitute teachers are a completely different thing. Full time teachers make a very good living, substitutes trying to get a full time position are fighting with a huge wait list of people wanting the same job because it is such a good job. Many full time teachers sub after they retire as well which does not help things. Teachers need to be judged on performance, there are plenty of teachers who should retire to make way for enthusiastic young teachers.

 

[Mad Mike]

No, they just can’t crack the full time positions. They are on a list and have been for a while so it’s multiple part time gigs and they work hard. One was at a school in a particularly rough area and has seriously thought about throwing in the towel.

There are tons of private sector jobs available for teachers -- the reason they wait years for the public sector jobs is 1) they can't cut the private sector standard, or 2) they are willing to wait it out for a lucrative salary / benefit package that has a substantially lighter workload than the public sector.

The fact that teachers are waiting 7-10 years to get "in" is telling. It suggests the supply and demand dynamics are broken, being held hostage by a union that has enough political clout to hold a province hostage. How many of the province's thousands of unemployed teachers would jump at a full time opportunity for a job that paid $65K max + 12 weeks vacation + full benefits + full pension at 55 years old?

 

[crankcall]

How many of the province's thousands of unemployed teachers would jump at a full time opportunity for a job that paid $65K max + 12 weeks vacation + full benefits + full pension at 55 years old?

ALL of them, thats why there is a list of many hundreds.

 

[jc100]

I don’t see a discernible difference between students from private vs public schools to be honest so I don’t know if that’s also a reflection of the teaching standards. I don’t know that there are a “ton” of jobs available either, that would surprise me.

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