I would love to read this entire thread, but I don't have that kind of time. I'm wondering what is so special about you and why you don't face the same challenges for charging? I'm assuming you have a Tesla of course, but am I mistaken thinking that you still have to charge that like me?
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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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I would love to read this entire thread, but I don't have that kind of time. I'm wondering what is so special about you and why you don't face the same challenges for charging? I'm assuming you have a Tesla of course, but am I mistaken thinking that you still have to charge that like me?
I think his point is that he's got a Tesla, and their supercharger network isn't plagued with as many issues of different apps, broken down chargers, etc.
I'm no fan of Musk / Tesla...but they do make a pretty car, with a good electric drivetrain, and do have a great supercharger network. Which is a major benefit to use compared to a patchwork of third party providers.
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If I could afford it...I'd buy a M3 extended range today. But I can't, so I won't.
Hell even the other EV options are just way more expensive than a comparable ICE car, and considering the amount I drive...and fillup the Volt...there's zero financial justification for switching over except 'I want it'.
Which I do...just can't afford it lol.
If I sold the bike, and the car...I could probably wrangle up 25k as a trade-in value. That still leaves me 25-30k short as a minimum for what I want.
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Hell I could buy a very nice ICE car for less, and would still come out ahead after filling up for years.
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This would suit me just fine, especially with a diesel where I can get 800-1000km/tank.
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He has a model 3. Tesla charging network is better than the crap patchwork other BEV's deal with. I wouldn't consider a BEV now unless I could charge easily at home. Others may be happier putting up with early adopter crap which is where non-tesla BEV's are unfortunately wallowing. You can get away with charging only away from home but it can be a hassle.
yes. ding ding ding.
with a Tesla, it's as easy as driving an ICE for long destinations. Last week I went up to Sudbury, then over to North Bay and back home to Stouffville. Did not need to pre-plan or make any huge detours, just started driving and mapped to the supercharger on-route when I was getting low. Quick washroom, food break and back on the road. Regularly hit 100-130kW charging rates so around 15-20mins stops.
Sorry its actually easier than gas fill-ups, I don't even need to fumble around with payment your CC is already in the app and literally all you do is park, plug it in and unplug when you leave.
Used prices for Teslas have dropped significantly recently as well.
Charging at home is still essential if you are trying to save money with an EV
I think his point is that he's got a Tesla, and their supercharger network isn't plagued with as many issues of different apps, broken down chargers, etc.
I'm no fan of Musk / Tesla...but they do make a pretty car, with a good electric drivetrain, and do have a great supercharger network. Which is a major benefit to use compared to a patchwork of third party providers.
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Oh. For sure Tesla is the cream of the crop. I've seen a ton of multi-use chargers, versus only a couple of tesla ones. So I guess I don't quite understand why they're so amazing still. If my girlfriend wanted a tesla, I'm sure she would have gotten one. As it was, she really loves Subaru and has a close friend that works for them.
And for the record, I wasn't complaining about having charging issues. I definitely didn't realize I'd have any issues, but I am a realist and this is still a newish thing. The first ICE vehicles I'm sure had very similar issues with fuel stations few and far between. But we'll get there. I do feel bad for people that buy an EV and naively think everything will be hunky dory.
That's great. I'm super happy it works for you.
Your last sentence is the key here...people have this image that it's all good and pretty and everything works. Very rarely.
This is my only reason I didn't buy an EV when I did have the money. I need something that can do 300km without charge in the cold. I'm not interested in stopping, charging, waiting, and hoping the chargers work. Some are, but I'm not.
When it's a well developed, and uniform network, I'm happy to join the fun. Until then, the Volt will have to do.
Really? I haven't seen a big drop personally.
Also, how does that work with buying a used car that has features...can they turn them off? I read a story a while ago of it happening.
Non-Tesla charging stations seem to have an incredibly high out of service rate. Tesla seems to be better. Probably because it's their brand on the post, other charger brands have little value and are focused on rolling out lots of stations for marketing and to attract investors. They seem far less concerned about keeping existing charging stations at maximum uptime.
a new model Y performance (loaded) came in cheaper then my 2016 BMW X5 by a few hundred bucks.
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define relative... I know someone with a $300k+ G wagon that costs less to insure than his civic.
my 65k brand new LR model 3 is just over $2k annually which is ~$500 more than my 2017 F150 worth $30k.
I'd say that insurance premiums are more reflective of the driver / geographic location than the actual car.
Many years ago my Genesis Coupe 3.8 was about $500/year less than my Hyundai Elantra Touring which I replaced it with.
Reason 'Genesis Coupe doesn't have as many claims as the Elantra Touring'.
Go figure.
I won't argue that Tesla's charging network is the best for road-trippers. They had issues early on, too, but they've gotten past that. I am sure that the CCS network will get past them, too, in time.
I refuse to wear a MAGA hat. Can't stand Elon Musk, and that opinion pre-dated his latest shenanigans. Now, I will not have anything to do with Tesla until Elon Musk is not involved anymore, and this is not negotiable. (I won't hold it against someone who already bought one ... I just refuse to do so myself, and refuse to recommend them, as long as Musk has anything to do with Tesla.)
I still don't trust Tesla's reliability, quality control, parts availability, and out-of-warranty service costs. (It seems to be better than it used to be.) I can walk to the Chevrolet dealer, should the need arise. Tesla's closest service center is a lot further away. I can walk up to the parts counter in the Chevrolet dealer and say "I need this part" and I'm quite confident I'll have it tomorrow if not this afternoon. Tesla, not so much.
The Bolt fits in my driveway with what else also needs to share the driveway. The smallest Tesla is too wide and too long.
And, it does what I need it to do, very well. I'm past 15,000 km without needing a DC fast-charger. Stopped at Hockley General Store for lunch right now, on the way back from Barrie. State of charge is at 50% ... plenty to complete today's running around. And the bumpers have not fallen off.
I refuse to wear a MAGA hat. Can't stand Elon Musk, and that opinion pre-dated his latest shenanigans. Now, I will not have anything to do with Tesla until Elon Musk is not involved anymore, and this is not negotiable. (I won't hold it against someone who already bought one ... I just refuse to do so myself, and refuse to recommend them, as long as Musk has anything to do with Tesla.)
I still don't trust Tesla's reliability, quality control, parts availability, and out-of-warranty service costs. (It seems to be better than it used to be.) I can walk to the Chevrolet dealer, should the need arise. Tesla's closest service center is a lot further away. I can walk up to the parts counter in the Chevrolet dealer and say "I need this part" and I'm quite confident I'll have it tomorrow if not this afternoon. Tesla, not so much.
The Bolt fits in my driveway with what else also needs to share the driveway. The smallest Tesla is too wide and too long.
And, it does what I need it to do, very well. I'm past 15,000 km without needing a DC fast-charger. Stopped at Hockley General Store for lunch right now, on the way back from Barrie. State of charge is at 50% ... plenty to complete today's running around. And the bumpers have not fallen off.
Insurance will not just be about the price of the car. Comparing car to car, theft rates (even more so lately) and IIHS crash test results are a major factor. There are others like cost to repair etc. but IME not as big a factor. Back in the day our Saab 9-5 was significantly cheaper to insure than our Hyundai Accent due entirely to theft and crash test results. Many people just buy and get a quote but cars with high insurance costs add to the cost of ownership, always get a quote for insurance before buying!
Of course location and driver record but those carry car to car as multipliers...
Of course location and driver record but those carry car to car as multipliers...
I still don't think Electric car life is ready for the masses. I'd never ever own one as a primary car at this point. Even a Tesla.
Non plug hybrid is still the best bet. Prices aren't stupid, fantastic gas mileage and zero charging waits, Charger hunting, range Issues and anxieties. Never have to worry about finagling with the hvac in winter to "save battery"
Yes, I'll pay a bit for gas, it's worth it, my time is well worth all the hassle and aggravation mentioned above.
For electrics. Tesla is the only option. I could care less what Elon had for breakfast, his personal life, his businesses, his shenanigans etc
As a consumer I just want the best product for money. At this point. TESLA still does it best.
Non plug hybrid is still the best bet. Prices aren't stupid, fantastic gas mileage and zero charging waits, Charger hunting, range Issues and anxieties. Never have to worry about finagling with the hvac in winter to "save battery"
Yes, I'll pay a bit for gas, it's worth it, my time is well worth all the hassle and aggravation mentioned above.
For electrics. Tesla is the only option. I could care less what Elon had for breakfast, his personal life, his businesses, his shenanigans etc
As a consumer I just want the best product for money. At this point. TESLA still does it best.
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just incase anyone was interested. big price cuts on new Teslas 10-20% off.
Base model 3 should now be eligible for fed incentive:
Tesla price cuts
with fed incentive the base model 3 is now 50k+ tax
Base model 3 should now be eligible for fed incentive:
Tesla price cuts
with fed incentive the base model 3 is now 50k+ tax
Shout out to everyone that bought a Tesla last week.
And, one day in.............
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