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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

ohhh man.... new E transit. nvmd the high price and limited range.

a real frankenstein job. start/stop switch where the old key hole was, still has gas style gauge? Lots of items left from ice version , check out the gargantuan rear springs sticking out like a sore thumb. atrocious.

This is bastardization to the finest degree when you don't do a clean sheet design.


 
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Nice! Saw one on the road a few weeks ago. Sexy beast! I can only imagine the maintenance nightmare on a Fisker….where the hell do you take it?
I glanced at these. Very cheap used vehicles…isn’t the mileage abysmal?
 
Wow ... Pickup truck on top, but something else underneath. I knew these had air suspension, I didn't know about the hydraulic left/right interconnection.

 
Wow ... Pickup truck on top, but something else underneath. I knew these had air suspension, I didn't know about the hydraulic left/right interconnection.

Yikes. Hydro suspension has been done for decades. When working they are beautiful. Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases, hydro suspension hasn't stood the test of time and is often the death blow for a vehicle as repairs exceed the cost of the vehicle. 2cv had it, mini had it as an option, I think merc had it. Where conventional suspension was an option (or at least something closer to conventional suspension) they are preferred by the vast majority of second hand buyers.

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86 lb spare that you have to lift up out of a well? I like full size spares but damn, that is going to give some people trouble. They obviously have air on board, they could have put a bladder to raise the spare. I know, I know, ruthless cost cutting but at a certain point, when the majority of your buyers can't get the spare tire out, why bother selling it?
 
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2CV was mechanically linked front to rear. BL Hydrolastic was front to rear hydraulic with rubber springs and relatively simple (passive, no controls). BL Hydragas was gas-over-oil and interlinked front to rear but passively with no controls. Citroen DS was the super complicated one. Air suspension doesn't have a good reputation in some quarters ... but practically every tractor-trailer rig has it nowadays, although their systems are old tech.

Hopefully they're using better materials for the airbags nowadays.

I am not sure but I think Rivian is getting their dampers from Ohlins. I spotted a "Made in Poland" label. The damper-valve section of those dampers looks suspiciously like Ohlins TTX.
 
Found another article. The dampers are indeed sourced from Ohlins. 2022 Rivian R1T: How Its Suspension Makes It the McLaren of Off-Roaders

It has a central valve body and pump. I would expect the level of technology and complexity of that valve/pump assembly to be same order of magnitude as an ABS pump. Those are seldom troublesome nowadays.

The Citroen DS was troublesome way back when, because the technology wasn't ready for prime time. The BL systems, well, BL.
 
2CV was mechanically linked front to rear. BL Hydrolastic was front to rear hydraulic with rubber springs and relatively simple (passive, no controls). BL Hydragas was gas-over-oil and interlinked front to rear but passively with no controls. Citroen DS was the super complicated one. Air suspension doesn't have a good reputation in some quarters ... but practically every tractor-trailer rig has it nowadays, although their systems are old tech.

Hopefully they're using better materials for the airbags nowadays.

I am not sure but I think Rivian is getting their dampers from Ohlins. I spotted a "Made in Poland" label. The damper-valve section of those dampers looks suspiciously like Ohlins TTX.
Sorry, you're right, I was thinking DS.

I am mostly ok with air suspension (although it is less reliable than steel springs). It is the systems with hydraulic lines that seem to be the worst at longevity (which doesn't make a lot of sense as brake systems are mostly rock solid). Maybe is has to do with the volume of fluid moving through the lines?
 
Yet more info. It appears that this system is not new - although I think this is the first application that hopefully has something beyond low production volume. The hydraulic interconnects are rather ingenious. McLaren's Proactive Chassis Control Suspension Is the Anti Anti-Roll Bar

N.B. Tenneco is majority-owner of Ohlins. Appears that this deal closed in 2018, although the two companies had co-operated on projects before (including that linked-suspension project).
 
Sorry, you're right, I was thinking DS.

I am mostly ok with air suspension (although it is less reliable than steel springs). It is the systems with hydraulic lines that seem to be the worst at longevity (which doesn't make a lot of sense as brake systems are mostly rock solid). Maybe is has to do with the volume of fluid moving through the lines?

I think the issues with the old systems had more to do with less-advanced materials and manufacturing, and inadequate sensors and controls.

Without electronics, everything had to be done using individual valves and mechanical linkages resulting in the system being composed of a bazillion bits and pieces. Imagine doing this with 1960s manufacturing (actually a rather remarkable feat): Citroën DS/ID and XM Web-Site
 
N.B. Tenneco is majority-owner of Ohlins. Appears that this deal closed in 2018, although the two companies had co-operated on projects before (including that linked-suspension project).

Yes. That went down 4 years ago. Was pleased it was a company with ties to the industry and not just an Investment firm that bought them. Less likely to get bean counter cost cutting measures with them*.

*so far
 
Buddy is looking for a Mini Cooper (apparently they come in EV!)….

Says that the used cars are priced basically same as new. Has looked all over Ontario out to QC and BC. Impossible to find.

Was doing the paperwork this weekend and someone snapped it up before he submitted his deposit…but we think dealer already had a deal done just waiting for it to clear.

At first I was against it due to the 180km range…but as a commuter…could be fun.
 

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