"He's trying to put people into space and he can't even put you in a car?" Priceless. Moms rule.
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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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"He's trying to put people into space and he can't even put you in a car?" Priceless. Moms rule.
Not surprising at all. Commuter parking lots are not the best location for charging stations. Dumb wynnebag. Of course the average was less than one charge per day. Five days a week, one car occupies the charger for the entire day and I doubt they see much action on the weekends.
Spots that naturally turn over every hour or two make much more sense.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4972890
"The Ministry of Transportation says each charging unit generated around $450 in revenue per year, against an annual operating cost of around $2,000.
The chargers were used less than once per day on average, according to Metrolinx figures."
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I would have loved it if they amended the trial with quadruple the rates. That makes it revenue neutral. Given the struggles peole have finding GO parking, they may find that usage is unchanged.
Spots that naturally turn over every hour or two make much more sense.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4972890
"The Ministry of Transportation says each charging unit generated around $450 in revenue per year, against an annual operating cost of around $2,000.
The chargers were used less than once per day on average, according to Metrolinx figures."
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I would have loved it if they amended the trial with quadruple the rates. That makes it revenue neutral. Given the struggles peole have finding GO parking, they may find that usage is unchanged.
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Were the chargers accessable or blocked by regular vehicles most of the time.
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From the sound of it, people were topping up for an hour or two while using the spot all day while they took the train in to work.
Governments aren't known for thinking straight.
Commuter parking lots are OK for Level 1 or Level 2 chargers because whatever car is there, is probably going to be there all day. This shouldn't be a priority application, though. EV owners wouldn't be able to rely on the availability of charging there unless lots of charging spots were available.
If you're going to spend money on chargers ... What's needed are Level 3 chargers at all of the OnRoute motorway service centers and a few select similar spots along the TransCanada Highway. There are only 23 OnRoute service centers in the province. Add (let's say) 10 more along highway 7, 11, 17 and maybe one or two more along 6 on the Bruce Peninsula and then almost the entire province would be easily within range of the better EVs on the market today. Then fill in the gaps over the next few years and presto, the entire road network is covered for EV usage. As more EVs show up on the road and fill up the charging spots, add more as needed.
I would happily charge an EV at home as long as I can get to where I have to go, and back. If that's occasionally beyond EV range ... that's what those charging locations are for.
To kick-start the system, put 6 charging spots at each of those 33 suggested locations, it's about 200 Level 3 public chargers total. Even if it's $5000 each ... that's 1 million dollars. Peanuts in the grand scheme of things.
Commuter parking lots are OK for Level 1 or Level 2 chargers because whatever car is there, is probably going to be there all day. This shouldn't be a priority application, though. EV owners wouldn't be able to rely on the availability of charging there unless lots of charging spots were available.
If you're going to spend money on chargers ... What's needed are Level 3 chargers at all of the OnRoute motorway service centers and a few select similar spots along the TransCanada Highway. There are only 23 OnRoute service centers in the province. Add (let's say) 10 more along highway 7, 11, 17 and maybe one or two more along 6 on the Bruce Peninsula and then almost the entire province would be easily within range of the better EVs on the market today. Then fill in the gaps over the next few years and presto, the entire road network is covered for EV usage. As more EVs show up on the road and fill up the charging spots, add more as needed.
I would happily charge an EV at home as long as I can get to where I have to go, and back. If that's occasionally beyond EV range ... that's what those charging locations are for.
To kick-start the system, put 6 charging spots at each of those 33 suggested locations, it's about 200 Level 3 public chargers total. Even if it's $5000 each ... that's 1 million dollars. Peanuts in the grand scheme of things.
Iceman
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Barrie recently placed several charging stations in municipal lots around the lake shore. Then they put up signs stating that ice vehicles are allowed to park there. I always see ice vehicles using those spots even when there are plenty of other spaces available.
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It's Barrie. You expected something logical?
A bunch of plain old 15A receptacles would accomplish far more than a handful of L2 chargers. If people are serious about charging they'd bring their own EVSE to plug in. I agree, a few L2's that are going to be blocked all day by cars that were probably fully charged 5 or 6 hours before the owner even returned to drive it away is stupid.
And 5 years from now a bunch of clueless non EV owners at a city council meeting will deem these chargers a waste of municipal resources because statistics show that the were only getting used once or twice a week. FFS.
GP_RZ
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All fuel efficient vehicles are down. Price of gas is down so demand is down. Take away the rebates and that kills sales as well.
Saw this happen in 2009 after the big crash when oil went from $150/barrel to $35 (or something like that) inside a short period of time. Gas was cheap again, and in the years that followed big pickup trucks were flying off the dealers lots...once things started to get back on track.
And then...it wasn't cheap anymore...and up until maybe 6 months ago, does everyone remember $1.40/L?
Will it last? Yeah, doubtful. But people forget quickly - I'm sure dealers are once again doing brisk sales of gas pigs, but there will be much crying when gas spikes again.
blackcamaro
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At this point there is very little interest from the general public in EV’s. The majority of car buyers I come across aren’t even flirting with the idea. I feel at this point most people are going to buy 1 or 2 more ICE powered before they start looking into electric.
There IS a lot of interest, there's just a complete void of information out there for people to make decisions on.
As someone who actually owns an EV, trust me, there is interest. People ask questions all the time when they see the car, I have a lot of co-workers who ask a lot of questions, friends, lots of people on our street see them plugged-in in our driveway and stop to chat about them, etc etc. The problem is, those people aside who are getting info from existing owners, most others know little to nothing about them.
Worse yet is the overwhelming amount of misinformation out there. People who may legitimately be thinking about an EV are quickly inundated with utter crap on the internet about how they lose 90% of their range in the winter (or some think they actually won't even operate!), how you're going to get stranded if you drive more than 25KM from your house, how "plugging in is such a pain!" (*cough*), etc etc.
The manufacturers really need to start focusing on getting the facts out there. At this point, (credit where credit is due) Honda seems to be the only one who's focused on that part with their "electric when you can, gas when you need it!" advertising for the Clarity PHEV.
blackcamaro
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Asking questions isn’t money changing hands and that’s what ultimately matters. People aren’t going into dealerships looking to buy EV’s. I know this from being in the business. Look at sales numbers, still under 2% in North America. Closer to 1% of all new vehicles sold if you take Tesla out of the picture.
If she finds out you call her your wide you're gonna need to pony up for more than a Cayenne.
And 99.9% of dealerships are doing little to flying F-all to push EV's, and manufacturers aren't doing much either, so that isn't surprising.
Dealers would rather sell profit pig SUV's and pickup trucks. The salespeople go where the money is because that maximizes their commission cheques. Disincentive all the factors that cause dealers and salespeople to push vehicles that pad their pockets vs what the customer may actually be best served with in their situation, provide an interesting product, and EDUCATE the dealers and salespeople about EV's and their benefits (amazing performance, low operating costs vs gas, and little to no required maintenance) and I think the story would be quite different.
It's that last bit (in it's entirety) where the whole EV thing is falling on it's face right now. Tesla is kinda on the right track, although they're surviving more on the fanboy factor right now vs actual product or customer service, based on a few of the stories here recently where they can't seem to even find their own *** with both hands.
First dealership I went to, wanting to order a Bolt, did little to actually try to sell me the Bolt. It was the sales manager, rather than the sales rep, who really tried to steer me towards something else, such as a Corvette!
Basically, they had a sale but the sales manager talked themselves out of it.
Agreed. I had the same issue when I was buying my used Volt. The salesman / sales manager / anyone at the dealership had literally zero idea about the car. I was explaining it to them (thanks to PP and this thread) and my own research. They were selling a car...didn't need fuel to run...that's all they knew. Useless but it was a good buy overall.
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