TBH, I didnt even get the story line. It appears the film's story was very haphazard. It's either that or I can't take the film too serious to concentrate on it
And the award for Troll of the Year goes to.... *drum roll*
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TBH, I didnt even get the story line. It appears the film's story was very haphazard. It's either that or I can't take the film too serious to concentrate on it
Agreed 100%. As a spectator who's smart enough to see what's going on, it's actually pretty painful to watch.
It's kind of like watching someone get scammed by one of those super obvious Nigerian scammers. Sucks that they got scammed but you can't help but laugh at their stupidity.
You and I share the same opinion, I think it's quite pathetic what some people will do in the name of religion.
As proud as I am of my culture/heritage, I thank God we moved out of Egypt.
I can tell you exactly how he made this film, i've worked in the industry.
Notice how you see many different characters that only appear once for a few seconds and / or lines.
He made audition / casting calls for a potential film, each actor was given a small role to play, and a few lines to say.
They wouldn't be given the whole storyline.
They signed a waiver stating the film maker is allowed to use their audition tape as he wishes.
(most actors gladly agree to this, thinking it will increase their exposure or give them the break the are waiting for)
He paid for studio time and had editors piece it all together. (the owner of the studio in question was on tv, he simply provides a service, he isn't responsible for censoring peoples work)
In general, it's a total piece of piss, the fact that a whole group went crazy over it is a joke in itself.
More proof that you can't mix religions together.
And while I describe them as a large group I fully understand that they are a small minority. However, a small minority among tens of millions of people can still be a large group.
I think only simple minded right wing rednecks fail to understand that and lump them all in together. The response to this video and all the subsequent news coverage is like pouring stupid gas on crazy fire.
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I think only simple minded right wing rednecks fail to understand that and lump them all in together. The response to this video and all the subsequent news coverage is like pouring stupid gas on crazy fire.
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Alot of the actors are shown in the media now saying they didn't know anything about the story of the film
Precisely, happens all the time.
Always read the WHOLE waiver and ask questions or you might appear in a dirty movie.
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1) the response is wrong
2) Freedom of speech is a myth and is NOT a UNIVERSAL right. It is a localized (within reason) right. When you offend another party your rules no longer apply, instead a hybrid of common rules apply, or the victor in the ensuing battle applies the rules. This "battle" is brewing. It hasn't fully gotten underway yet.
3) Chistrian blasphemy is part of the problem: Exorcist, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Prophesy, etc etc have been part and parcel of the eroding, weakening and diluting of Christianity in modern times. Christianity is literally nothing like it was meant to be. Muslims often see what the West has done to their own faith as a precursor to what they will / can do to Islam. Citing Western pot shots at Christianity and the ultimate undermining of the Christian faith is no comfort to Muslims. Typically Muslims do not object to the objectification and slandering of Jesus (though they should) as they see Jesus as a) slandered beyond repair, and b) the current incarnation of Jesus as largely a Western idol anyways. The issue of Jesus is too big for Muslims to address, or rather Islam itself as a whole is one massive addressing of the Jesus / Issa image. Islam IS THE ULTIMATE protest to the "slander" of Jesus / Issa......just to put it in theological perspective. Muslims / Islam sees the message of Jesus so badly distorted in modern Christianity that modern slandering in the media is beyond repair or protest.
4) Whether this film is of poor quality or not, ultimately the West seeks to undermine Islamic theology in its entirety, reducing it to a benign cultural vestige at best...."moderate Islam", non affectual, not determining, non influencial....kind of like falafel or humous. This agenda is larger than this film, and when the West promotes insulting and inciteful "free speech", over the values of Islam (which are largely disrespected by the West), the over-all message is confrontational and widely more insulting to the core beliefs of 1.4 billion people.
5) Test the free speech theory out and call a police officer a pig, or curse at them. Tell a justice at your next traffic hearing to f off. Tell them their whole belief system is a farse. See if there is no reprocusion. Julian Assange leaked truth, and look at his reward! He didn't even insult anyone!
6) Oh and try denying / questioning the Holocuast in Germany or France (the Armenian Holocust either). The West will protect from insult that which it respects, and will allow slander of that which it does not....that is the underlying message that has been sent, and that has become the greater insult. What happened to Mel and Galliano again?
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I've seen pics of the bodybuilder with the face helmet tattoo before. I'm sure he's just another bloke that's penny pinching and living pay check to pay check in Holloywood trying to make a living in the entertainment industry with small roles here and there hoping for his big break just like all the other actors. Like Agave said, they probably had no idea that they would be used as instruments for this anti-Muslim propaganda.
I think the actors are probably the biggest victims. One minute you're acting some small *** role for a few bucks trying to pay rent money in LA and the next minute you're public enemy number 1 and millions of people want to kill you. How can you ever walk down the street feeling safe after this?
I think the actors are probably the biggest victims. One minute you're acting some small *** role for a few bucks trying to pay rent money in LA and the next minute you're public enemy number 1 and millions of people want to kill you. How can you ever walk down the street feeling safe after this?
Painting with an awfully wide brush, don't you think?
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So some idiot, that might not even be from the west (as has been pointed) makes a video and posts it on youtube and suddenly it's "the west seeks" this or the west wants that?
^ Looks like me and Caboose are on the same page.
I agree with the "selective" freedom of speech though. The wiki-leaks case is a good example.
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The uproar (Islamically) is the false portrayal of anything related to any prophet, God (Himself), or anything of the devine. The theology goes that since we do not know details such as appearance, or other characteristics (of God let's say), we simply cannot fill them in for the sake of it, as they would be lies or kindly put "atristic licence". Muslims object to the same thing in paintings....for example Muslims cannot paint God as a greek, muscular old man. We cannot assume that God is a white man and then have that form the basis of our understanding of God in a cultural feedback cycle. Instead what we do not know or cannot know should be left as unknown, rather than filled in.
Likewise, any slander or lies of prophets are not tolerated. An academic discussion of fact is a different story. And with academic discussions comes a high level of professional courtesy and respect, controlled debate, etc. This is not what we have here.
Here we have a brazen set of lies and insults which are supported by a lop sided, hypocritical application of the principle of "free speech".
The refusal of the West to condemn this film is adding to the problem. Had this been pulled from Youtube and condemned the fuss would not have been as severe. Rather Youtube has kept it up, only removing it from Egyptian access. Meanwhile other damaging, insulting, inciteful hate speech would be pulled off of Youtube in a heart beat.
This tacid support of the film has propelled it into a higher level of insult than it was originally.
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Investigate the Coptic situation as well as Iranian diaspora, Bahai's, Ismailis, etc etc in the West and you will see it is not a simple as "some idiot that might not even be from the West". It is far more subtle and complicated than you think.
As a side note...this is right in line with Salmon Rushdie's "Satanic Verses of the Quran", however where he can be argued to be a good writer and having masked his slandering of Mohamed with psedonymes, this film has no basis for protection under "free speech". Even the notion of the "Satanic verses" (not the fictional book, but the actual Hadith) can be debated and discussed academically, but Rushdie's slander crosses the line.
Truth should be debated, not wrapped in fiction to seduce or trick simple people. Insult or propaganda should be left out of free speech so as not to distort or derail a worthy agenda of Truth.
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Islam is a religion of peace clearly. And let's all chant the western dumbass mantra " this is a small percentage of Muslims not all Muslims " over and over and over while the Muslims chant " death to all America for a video made by one guy who isn't even American or representing America"
Turn off the Internet And media for one week and let the US and it's true allies clean up the problem once and for all without political correctness interfering
Turn off the Internet And media for one week and let the US and it's true allies clean up the problem once and for all without political correctness interfering
Not that I think a low-budget video speaks for the "west", but I don't think that expecting people to NOT savagely kill, attack, threaten, and vandalize over a Youtube video is "undermining" Islamic theology.
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With all due respect, Muslims pray to a meteorite, it's no wonder a crappy, independent video caused such a hullaballoo, enough said. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
awyala
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Most likely if you investigate Islam in a surface manner you will hate it. I am Muslim and I can admit to the large amount of negative press it is getting lately.
It is for the most part an expansive, "universal" / absolute faith / evangelical faith. The West is correct when they speak of creeping Sharia or Islam's goal to conquer the world. There is no hiding that. But the same is true of Christianity and modern day "universal rights" / darwinian humanism. The West and Islam really are at odds with one another. Despite that there are a lot of commonalities and aspects of Islam a Westerner could like. It really depends on your take on things.
But the point I am making is that the common theme toward Islam is largely anti-Islamic, unless of course the faith can be contained so as to be "moderate" as defined by the West. Again this is the West's attempt to define what level of Islam is acceptable (world wide - not just locally).
So I can't fault anyone for hating Islam, there are enough lies, half-truths, vagueries, agendas and motivations out there for anyone to pick any theology or political inclination they wish. You can limit yourself to Fox News or some Jihadist website, it really is up to you.
As for the "religion of peace" I'll get to that apologists wet dream in another post.
My theme towards Islam (excluding the extremists) is apathy. I don't care. So please don't try to tell me what I believe or will believe. I think i have a pretty good working understanding of what Islam is all about so o don't feel as though I need to investigate any further.
You should be mindful of terms like 'the West'. Similar to how the only Muslims we seem to see on the news are the extremists, the same logic can be applied to the West. Those who make the most noise about it represent a very small percentage of the population. They don't speak for me.
I would hope that you, being a Muslim that sees this from the other side, would be able to understand my point. I don't lump you in with the crazies who are attacking US embassies, please don't lump me in with those who dislike Islam.
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