50 shot dead - Orlando shooting

[Blackfin]

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Have you ever shot a gun? It's not like in the movies where you point, shoot and magically hit your target with immediate fatal consequences. And the farther the target the waaaaaay harder it is to hit said target.

Guy walks into a school or a workplace, stands at the door to an office and turns everyone in the room into hamburger without getting anywhere "near" any of his targets. If he's got clips and mags and a semi-auto he doesn't need to be terribly accurate; he can just keep pulling the trigger. This is decidedly different from the scenario where he must go to each victim individually, come into close physical proximity and plunge a knife into his chest or throat, one at a time.

I'm glad you brought up self defense with knife scenarios. I wonder if in a "mass shooting" scenario if there was someone else there with a gun to defend if the outcomes would be different. Hmmmmmmm......

It's interesting that the pro-gun crowd approaches this problem from the "fight fire with fire" angle whereas others are trying to prevent the tragedies in the first place.

But the facts don't actually support this position nor does correlation (which in the US isn't there as noted in info I've posted) mean causation.

Not going through 8 or more pages of thread to find this but on the face of it I refuse to believe that, if compared, a hypothetical mass shooting carried out with a musket or flintlock would be as devastating and gory as one carried out with an AR-15.

 

[mmmnaked]

Guy walks into a school or a workplace, stands at the door to an office and turns everyone in the room into hamburger without getting anywhere "near" any of his targets. If he's got clips and mags and a semi-auto he doesn't need to be terribly accurate; he can just keep pulling the trigger. This is decidedly different from the scenario where he must go to each victim individually, come into close physical proximity and plunge a knife into his chest or throat, one at a time.

I agree that a box fed semi auto makes the task easier but this part of your post just reeks of video game and movie logic. Shooting is NOT that easy. You cant just close your eyes and keep pulling the trigger from your hip and expect the tiny 1/4” bullets to turn everyone into hamburger meat.

 

[Blackfin]

I agree that a box fed semi auto makes the task easier but this part of your post just reeks of video game and movie logic. Shooting is NOT that easy. You cant just close your eyes and keep pulling the trigger from your hip and expect the tiny 1/4” bullets to turn everyone into hamburger meat.

You guys can keep harping on this but what's really telling is how "successful" people who do it -- including (sarcasm) hardened, battle-tested Navy SEALs (/sarcasm) like Harris and Klebold, Lanza, Farook and Malik, Harper-Mercer, Roof etc etc -- somehow manage to be.

 

[mmmnaked]

Harping on your complete lack of experience , that's all.

I acknowledge that a rifle is better than a handgun which is better than a knife which is better than fists etc.

 

[LePhillou]

That's why the expression goes, as easy as shooting fish in a barrel

No matter how ****** you are at shooting and how you play it, a big crowd in a small space makes for easier targets even if you miss several times

 

[mmmnaked]

And yet, miraculously, only about 350 people are killed annually by all manner of rifles in the USA (pop. 320,000,000)

For such a lean mean killin machine, they sure don't get used too often for criminal homicide.

 

[backmarkerducati]

And yet, miraculously, only about 350 people are killed annually by all manner of rifles in the USA (pop. 320,000,000)

For such a lean mean killin machine, they sure don't get used too often for criminal homicide.

Too hard to conceal. Mass shootings it may make "sense" for the perp but day to day walking around the handgun is king and I bet most non-mass shootings are the day to day walking around kind.

In the end they only show up with the rifle (assault or otherwise) if it is 100% premeditated and with purpose.

 

[cool]

Too hard to conceal. Mass shootings it may make "sense" for the perp but day to day walking around the handgun is king and I bet most non-mass shootings are the day to day walking around kind.

In the end they only show up with the rifle (assault or otherwise) if it is 100% premeditated and with purpose.

If they ban guns, criminal fcktards like this one will use bomb.

And we already ban bombs dont we..... blame guns, speed, whatever but our society...... hmmm

 

[RockerGuy]

All I hear is how easy it is to kill people with an automatic rifle, if I had a choice I would be more efficient with a semi auto than a fully auto. Knowing my opponents are not armed, I would make every shot count & I reload less often because I don't want someone to jump me

 

[crankcall]

I'm impressed with how much effort some of you put into how you would run your mass murder.

 

[mmmnaked]

RockerGuy has a spreadsheet and everything.

 

[Motorcycle Mike]

So... any of you non-shooters want to meet at Silverdale tomorrow and see what the shooting sport is all about? You'll see (maybe even try if you ask the owner nicely) AR-15s, Tavors, XCRs, Mini 14s, etc etc... I'm allowed to take in and supervise one guest who does not have a gun license. As for me, I will be bringing two semi-automatics and likely one bolt action... need to do some sighting in and testing of a new rifle.

It might be an eye-opener to you... you'll have 100's of shooters around you sporting 'dangerous assault weapons' and handguns and no one shooting each other!

 

[LePhillou]

So... any of you non-shooters want to meet at Silverdale tomorrow and see what the shooting sport is all about? You'll see (maybe even try if you ask the owner nicely) AR-15s, Tavors, XCRs, Mini 14s, etc etc... I'm allowed to take in and supervise one guest who does not have a gun license. As for me, I will be bringing two semi-automatics and likely one bolt action... need to do some sighting in and testing of a new rifle.

It might be an eye-opener to you... you'll have 100's of shooters around you sporting 'dangerous assault weapons' and handguns and no one shooting each other!

Honestly, if i didnt have other father's day plans, i'd take you up on it
Always curious

The most i've done is freaking bb gun ahaha

 

[RockerGuy]

I'm impressed with how much effort some of you put into how you would run your mass murder.

Well, some people speak of automatic weapons like it's a sin but if you've handle one, all it does is do an effective mag dump.

In a packed room, you might kill a few but you're effectively just injuring people

 

[griff2]

Well, some people speak of automatic weapons like it's a sin but if you've handle one, all it does is do an effective mag dump.

In a packed room, you might kill a few but you're effectively just injuring people

Oh? You know, there is a reason that they equip soldiers with semi- and full-automatics. That reason is their efficiency in being able to fend off resistance and kill with greater speed and efficiency than could ever be hoped for with a handgun or single shot rifle.

 

[RockerGuy]

Oh? You know, there is a reason that they equip soldiers with semi- and full-automatics. That reason is their efficiency in being able to fend off resistance and kill with greater speed and efficiency than could ever be hoped for with a handgun or single shot rifle.

If others have autos yes sure. But for armless civilians NO.

How much people you know use a full auto to hunt?

 

[nobbie48]

So... any of you non-shooters want to meet at Silverdale tomorrow and see what the shooting sport is all about? You'll see (maybe even try if you ask the owner nicely) AR-15s, Tavors, XCRs, Mini 14s, etc etc... I'm allowed to take in and supervise one guest who does not have a gun license. As for me, I will be bringing two semi-automatics and likely one bolt action... need to do some sighting in and testing of a new rifle.

It might be an eye-opener to you... you'll have 100's of shooters around you sporting 'dangerous assault weapons' and handguns and no one shooting each other!

I am totally ignorant of most gun facts so what does a round cost for a 22 long and whatever a AK-47 fires?

 

[mmmnaked]

I am totally ignorant of most gun facts so what does a round cost for a 22 long and whatever a AK-47 fires?

AK runs 7.62x39 and a factory box of 20 rounds at most stores will be from $12 to around $20. So upwards of $1/round. Buying bulk can get it down to 50 cents maybe.

.22 rimfire is dirt cheap..last I remember I bought a box of 500 rounds for around $40.

 

[inreb]

I think it would be swell to have a cheap .22 in the closest "just in case" and to say "I have a gun". Probably no good for strutting around with but I'm ok with that.

 

[crankcall]

I have a .22 Marlin lever action that from 30ft away looks pretty much like my Winchester .30-30 . You could strut around with it , but you might need a ten gallon hat and western boots to complete the look.

Speaking of struting why do the guys need to wear camo to the gun range? Those paper targets don't seem to skitish. And why do I see fisherman sitting in boats in full camo? Fish cannot see through aluminum.

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