Do yourself a favour and get it trust me on this one......
2012 Hyundai Elantra
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Do yourself a favour and get it trust me on this one......
disclaimer : I don't mean to open a debate on this matter, as I know there are plenty of people on both sides of the fence, but this will be my only post regarding this.........
Lots of new car makers advise AGAINST additional rustproofing. Many times its written right inside the manual.
Have some fun with the new car dealer salesman and point this out to them in your new cars owners manual when they try to sell you additional rustproofing.
Just like paint treatments, upholstery protectants, electronic rust devices, and other needless products, IMHO, its just an additional profit for the dealer to make a killing on.
update on my last post: I went in with her to the dealership. They (the service manager) tried to say the rust was normal. I made it very clear the rust was not normal and that if they choose to wash their hands of this issue I won't be quiet about it. They decided to have a "meeting" in the office and when they came out they simply stated they would fix the problem and have the hood stripped and repainted. They asked for the car for a 4-day period and she dropped the car off last monday. They called today and advised the work had been completed and it is ready to be picked up. I'm working when she has time to go pick it up but I'll be inspecting it very closely to make sure they did what they promised.
I believe all cars use galvanized steel......the difference in the rust protection comes down to the galvanized thickness........Asian cars have have been much thinner in the past.
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My experience?
The paint that goes on from a garage does not match the quality of the paint from a factory. But on my present car, I had the hood sprayed under warranty, they re-sprayed the whole thing and after 4yrs there are so much stone chips on it. Its as if the garage paint is not as flexible as the factory paint
You might be right
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...hould-i-rust-proof-my-new-car/article1996842/
I hope you enjoy your Elantra more than I do.... I have been driving an Elantra for mileage accumulation at work for the past week. Usually the execs get first choice on the test vehicles, but none of them wanted this. After driving it for myself, I can see why no one wants this thing.
Tthe brakes and powertrain are nice and the car is reasonably quiet. Everything else is really cheap - particularly the suspension and the absolutely silly feeling electric power steering.
Kind of reminds me of earlier Subaru's WRX's where all the money was spent on powertrain, but the rest of the car felt like a tin can.
What was the price differential between your Elantra and a similarly equipped Cruze?
Tthe brakes and powertrain are nice and the car is reasonably quiet. Everything else is really cheap - particularly the suspension and the absolutely silly feeling electric power steering.
Kind of reminds me of earlier Subaru's WRX's where all the money was spent on powertrain, but the rest of the car felt like a tin can.
What was the price differential between your Elantra and a similarly equipped Cruze?
From a price perspective, I don't mind, and for what I will be using the car for.
Its an entry level car, so I don't expect too much. Plus what kind of car gives you heated mirrors/seats, spacious interior, good fuel economy, good styling etc??
Have a bad experience with one dealership this morning, so I'll have to do the negotiating all over again with another dealer.
l84toff
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We're over 12k now (there was a trip to Florida in there) and we both still love the car. Super quiet compared to anything we've driven, very comfy and loads of room. Funny but I don't think it feels cheap inside at all, just our opinion I suppose.
Oh and we're averaging 7.62L/100km (high of 9 and low of 6.71).
Oh and we're averaging 7.62L/100km (high of 9 and low of 6.71).
Yeh, its depends on what you're looking for in a car. For me, I just need a car for winter. I ride most of the summer, so not seeking "the ultimate driving experience". Maybe when I can afford something better I will look for a better handling vehicle.
I assume electric assist steering might be more reliable than hydraulic, since there is less components in the system. No need to replace Power Steering hoses, pumps, oil. I've also heard they use electric to eliminate the parasitic drag on the engine, ie. better fuel economy
No rust spots or noise from the engine, right?
l84toff
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Nothing yet. Although reading that others are having some of these issues doesn't make me feel better. Of course someone is always going to have some sort of issue with their car that some other person isn't. Just take my prev Jetta experience. Some love their 09's, some...not so much.
Ultimately I'm with you on the just a car for winter. I tried talking my wife into a beater for because of this. She wasn't buying into it though
. Made some good point about us traveling a lot in the winter by car and reliability...
Ultimately I'm with you on the just a car for winter. I tried talking my wife into a beater for because of this. She wasn't buying into it though
. Made some good point about us traveling a lot in the winter by car and reliability...Electric power steering is being done for fuel economy, that's the main reason. It does eliminate the hydraulic system. A lot of manufacturers seem to be having trouble calibrating them for decent road feel - but then, a lot of hydraulic power steering systems are grossly overassisted, too.
Ride, handling, and steering seem to be the main areas that Hyundai/Kia has not figured out yet. Given the vast strides that this company has been making in the last few years, they're likely to improve this soon.
Ride, handling, and steering seem to be the main areas that Hyundai/Kia has not figured out yet. Given the vast strides that this company has been making in the last few years, they're likely to improve this soon.
At the price point they have this vehicle, it is a legit competitor. If you just need an A to B commuter it will do just fine. I can't ride as much (if at all) this year, so the driving experience is all I have...
My major qualm was the rear suspension compliance in lateral direction. The car feels like it is fishtailing when driving in a straight line over sharp one wheel bumps. The front suspension bottoms out fairly easily on the same bumps that don't upset other cars I have driven.
I didn't put it on a hoist to check, but it feels like a torsion beam rear suspension without a panhard bar or soft bushing at mounting points.
It will be interesting to see what the price point becomes when they sort our ride & handling... Will Hyundai still have the price/standard equipment advantage they have had over the years? Or will they have to compete on a more "level" field with the rest of the manufacturers?
You're right about the Torsion beam
Hah, you got that right. It is a torsion beam without Panhard rod. I don't know about the bushings. It sounds like they put soft bushings in there to isolate NVH but it's allowing compliance of the axle assembly, leading to a rear-steering effect when one side hits a bump.
Other manufacturers have figured out how to make a torsion beam work OK, notably VW. The Chevy Sonic/Spark is supposed to be decent, too, and I've seen the axle assembly on those. The axle is an inverted "V" as usual but the "V" is spread out unusually far, presumably to stiffen left/right axle alignment and also to use the structure as an antiroll bar. The bushings are mounted off-axis to the axle centerline and the bushings have a funky shape and are pressed in at a specific alignment that's presumably meant to give different compliance in the up/down direction compared to fore/aft. VW has used what they call "track correcting bushings" in their twist-beam pivots since the Mk3's (early nineties). Twist beam is a simple-looking mechanical arrangement but there's a lot more going on than how it first appears.
Reminds me of a friend's car back in the mid-90's when I was in CFB Borden. Can't remember the exact model, but it was a two door Nissan that, when pushed hard in the corners, actually swiveled its butt out a full 2" in the direction of centrifugal force. This was apparently engineered into the suspension to help offset the oversteer effect from the heavy nose. Felt really damn freaky, though.
My co-worker bought a '11 Sonota and had paint problems with it. She brought it back with low mileage and the dealership advised her Hyundai had a problem with a couple of the paint colours on this model and it was a known issue. They gave her a new car without much hassle.
My gf's car on the otherhand was picked up today and I inspected the hood once I got home. They were supposed to strip/repaint. I can see on the front where they've obviously just painted over a stone chip so I know it wasn't stripped. As well there's a HUGE paint drip on the front edge by the headlight. I'll be taking this car back and having many words with them.
killerkeith
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Picked up my car on Saturday
I'm sorry but that car just isn't rocking enough...I'm going to start calling you SuburbanCorporateSellOutGuy
