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Instead of western nations taking in millions of refugees, why not force the refugees to confront and fix the problems in their own countries? Basically we are expected to send troops to these countries to fix their problems and the people that could make a difference are running away. So in the end, the people with the skills to run society aren't there anymore and any gains military intervention has made are lost as soon as troops are pulled out.

 

[Snobike Mike]

Thats odd...some of the nicest people I've met have been middle eastern Muslims while I was in the Middle East. Maybe we have different experiences...or maybe you have no experience.

Some of the nicest people I've met are right here in our own fine country. Maybe you have different experiences but nevertheless, citizens of our country come before non-citizens.

Why do you constantly throw your fellow citizens under the bus while blindly accepting foreigners based on your so-called personal "experiences".

Yes we both know you'll ignore the following because it directly contradicts your "worldview" but for the rest who want an interesting read:

Here are some polls on what Muslims believe:

Pew Research (2013):

Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/

Wenzel Strategies (2012):

58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/201...-of-expression

ICM Poll:

40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

Pew Research (2010):

82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center:

65%% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/40...fundamentalism

Pew Global (2006)

68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.

http://cnsnews.com/node/53865

World Public Opinion (2009)

61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

NOP Research:

62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected
1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06

People Press Surveys

31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.

http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/...fter-iraq-war/

Belgian HLN

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml

ICM Poll:

25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms Nov04.asp

Pew Research (2007):

26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).

pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Al-Jazeera (2006):

49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

Populus Poll (2006):

16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".

http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

GfK NOP:

28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Sharia...eLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research:

68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06

MacDonald Laurier Institute:

62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01...riah-in-canada

http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-...ion-in-canada/

al-Arabiya:

36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/20...10/166274.html

Gallup:

38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/p...like-us-really

Policy Exchange:

1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.

http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SU...20Download.pdf

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Sharia...eLawForAll.pdf

 

[Snobike Mike]

Instead of western nations taking in millions of refugees, why not force the refugees to confront and fix the problems in their own countries? Basically we are expected to send troops to these countries to fix their problems and the people that could make a difference are running away. So in the end, the people with the skills to run society aren't there anymore and any gains military intervention has made are lost as soon as troops are pulled out.

Such logic and reason doesn't fit with the illness of liberal progressiveness.........

 

[caboose56]

Such logic and reason doesn't fit with the illness of liberal progressiveness.........

I saw that info copied and pasted on Reddit. Some readers actually checked the sources (which in sure you didn't) and some of the stats are contradicted by other stats while other statistics simply do not exist in the cited source.

You can see the feedback on those "stats" here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/c..._obama_held_a_conference_call_with_34/cx710gt

More propaganda and lies.

Does this count as hate speech? Are you able to think for yourself or do you just copy and paste the thoughts of others?


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[caboose56]

How much do we spend annually on homeless folks in Canada? And why does the cost of Syrian refugees preclude is from supporting our own homeless? Why can't we do both?

Two weeks ago no one was talking about our homeless.


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[FullMotoJacket]

Two weeks ago no one was talking about our homeless.

Two months ago no one was talking about drunk driving, then Marco smoked 3/4 of a family on his way home from his stag. No one was allowed to bring it up because they hadn't talked about it previously?

 

[kellen]

How much do we spend annually on homeless folks in Canada? And why does the cost of Syrian refugees preclude is from supporting our own homeless? Why can't we do both?

Two weeks ago no one was talking about our homeless.


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Because the same people against taking in refugess are the same ones who say the homeless are lazy drugs addicts who need to get a job




But damn suddenly those homeless need some $$$!

 

[caboose56]

Two months ago no one was talking about drunk driving, then Marco smoked 3/4 of a family on his way home from his stag. No one was allowed to bring it up because they hadn't talked about it previously?

Stop being obtuse.

There wasn't some "homeless event" that brought our attention to homelessness. Like I said, supporting refugees does not preclude us from supporting our homeless.

People are saying we shouldn't help Group A because we should be helping Group B. As if we aren't helping Group B at all, as if we aren't spending a significant amount of money and resources on Group B already.


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[inreb]

I guess as long as it's citizens of our country that aren't your family getting hurt/killed I guess have a few more terrorists in our country doesn't really matter.........wait WHAT????

Any politician worth his salt would gladly make that deal amirite "Just watch me" PET

 

[the bandit]

If many other countries and ethnics reacted like the sryians running who knows what language we would be speaking now. From what I see in the media not much old and frail but lots of young fighting aged men looking for a free ride

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Stop being obtuse.

There wasn't some "homeless event" that brought our attention to homelessness. Like I said, supporting refugees does not preclude us from supporting our homeless.

No more obtuse than your statement. In fact, it was made to be obtuse for that reason. As far as a "homeless event", three months from now when there's a -15C cold weather warning a talking head on the news will point out that there's not enough shelter beds for the ones that would get in out of the cold if they could, there will be people found frozen to death on the street, just like there was nine months ago. It's human nature to forget. How much money is spent on Paid Duty to the OPP for the Highway of Heroes repatriation dog and pony shows? The government is spending that money on what amounts to PR to bring one body from point A to point B when they're closing Veteran's Affairs offices? Am I bad for pointing that out? Should I not have said it, seeing as I'd never spoke of it previously?

Beating people down with the racist/bigot card when anyone suggests "hey, maybe we should address those problems first, before throwing money at new ones" is disingenuous.

 

[Snobike Mike]

I saw that info copied and pasted on Reddit. Some readers actually checked the sources (which in sure you didn't) and some of the stats are contradicted by other stats while other statistics simply do not exist in the cited source.

You can see the feedback on those "stats" here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/c..._obama_held_a_conference_call_with_34/cx710gt

More propaganda and lies.

Does this count as hate speech? Are you able to think for yourself or do you just copy and paste the thoughts of others?


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I know I know, everything that doesn't fit your worldview is propaganda and lies and or not thinking for myself or whatever.

You claim some of it is contradicted, what about the stuff that isn't?

 

[Snobike Mike]

Not sure if you're stupid or just pretending to be stupid.

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Hold on, how can it be that Syrians are all that you claim they are and yet their country is a mess? Either they are what you say they are or they aren't. It would seem your internet photo would imply there is some major problem with at least some Syrians (which of course there is) since at least some of their country is a bombed wasteland.

And since there is in fact a major problem with at least "some" (to put it lightly) Syrians, why are you in such a huge rush to indiscriminately import 25000 of them?

 

[Snobike Mike]

If many other countries and ethnics reacted like the sryians running who knows what language we would be speaking now. From what I see in the media not much old and frail but lots of young fighting aged men looking for a free ride

How dare you. Don't worry though, somebody will be along shortly claiming you don't think for yourself or are inciting hate speech or what not........

 

[Slim Jim]

Because the same people against taking in refugess are the same ones who say the homeless are lazy drugs addicts who need to get a job




But damn suddenly those homeless need some $$$!

No the homeless need mental health help not a job. Mental health isn't lazy, its a disease, I would rather money spent on .

 

[kellen]

Fox news be like

**** the homeless!

Wait, **** the refugees, help the homeless!

 

[inreb]

Fox news be like

**** the homeless!

Wait, **** the refugees, help the homeless!

Maybe it's political? I'm still ****** about the Irish coming over. Lucky charms my @zz.

 

[caboose56]

No more obtuse than your statement. In fact, it was made to be obtuse for that reason. As far as a "homeless event", three months from now when there's a -15C cold weather warning a talking head on the news will point out that there's not enough shelter beds for the ones that would get in out of the cold if they could, there will be people found frozen to death on the street, just like there was nine months ago. It's human nature to forget. How much money is spent on Paid Duty to the OPP for the Highway of Heroes repatriation dog and pony shows? The government is spending that money on what amounts to PR to bring one body from point A to point B when they're closing Veteran's Affairs offices? Am I bad for pointing that out? Should I not have said it, seeing as I'd never spoke of it previously?

Beating people down with the racist/bigot card when anyone suggests "hey, maybe we should address those problems first, before throwing money at new ones" is disingenuous.

The only thing I would rebut with is that we can tackle more than one problem at one time.

There are lots of ways we could improve how our tax dollars are spend. No one is arguing that that isn't the case.

We can help our vets. We can help the homeless. We can help the refugees too.

I know I know, everything that doesn't fit your worldview is propaganda and lies and or not thinking for myself or whatever.

You claim some of it is contradicted, what about the stuff that isn't?

If the BS you're posting isn't hate propaganda I don't know what is.

Frankly, it doesn't matter what portion of that content isn't contradicted or a flat out lie. It's biased and tainted and thus meaningless (to those of us who can think without being told what to think)



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[Dresden]

Contrary to my earlier posts, I'm sure whomever reaches the Canadian shores will be vetted out strongly, I'm not concerned about a "terrorist" coming through.

"Democracy" aside, the US/UK are there supporting the war for many other reasons (pipelines being one ). It's another big foreign policy blunder after Iraq.

I'd rather spend $1000 to fix their homeland than $36 to being them here. But I seem to be alone on that one.

 

[caboose56]

Hold on, how can it be that Syrians are all that you claim they are and yet their country is a mess? Either they are what you say they are or they aren't. It would seem your internet photo would imply there is some major problem with at least some Syrians (which of course there is) since at least some of their country is a bombed wasteland.

And since there is in fact a major problem with at least "some" (to put it lightly) Syrians, why are you in such a huge rush to indiscriminately import 25000 of them?

By your logic do you think all Germans in the 40s were Nazis?

I am not, not have I ever been, in a rush to indiscriminately import them. If you're not going to reply to things I've actually written there isn't much point in discussing this with you.


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