Your home is not your castle
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OpenGambit
Banned
I will personally be looking into a safe. I got my PAL some time ago but never purchased anything because of the high chance I would be moving, now that thats finished and I am getting settled in, its on the menu.
If you're going to be looking at a restricted weapon then make sure that it's either too heavy to be moved easily, or it can be secured to structure.
OpenGambit
Banned
Whats the word on those safes that open with your handprint.
OpenGambit
Banned
Because Arson potentially carries the same penalty as murder - Life.
433. Every person who intentionally or recklessly causes damage by fire or explosion to property, whether or not that person owns the property, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life where
- (a) the person knows that or is reckless with respect to whether the property is inhabited or occupied; or
- (b) the fire or explosion causes bodily harm to another person.
So really whats the point...
Its the same reason they charge tax evasion over murder/racketeering/extortion for organized crime.
There is no need, they still go to jail for a long *** time.
The cheap ones are slow and gimmicky, and rely on batteries. Combination lock is a better bet. There are pistol safes out there with 4-5 button combos which can be opened very fast. I'd post a link but I'm on my phone and would have to find it first.
Also the regs don't say you have to have it bolted to anything. In fact they're quite vague, and don't even qualify what discerns cabinets from safes/vaults.
+1 As for the confusion, I'm pretty sure it's deliberate. If a law-abiding firearm owner is doing nothing wrong, just charge him with improper storage and take him to the poorhouse. It's a default charge, and typically the reasoning has nothing to do with the letter of the law and is heavily driven by a misinterpretation of the spirit of the law. Law-abiding firearm owners should really face only administrative penalties for minor storage violations, not criminal charges.
The implication, of the regulations, seems to be that the unit used can't be easily removed from the premises. If you're using a gun locker, metal storage box, or a small safe, then it should likely be secured to structure. If you're using a full-sized gun safe, then you're fine. The wide range of possible storage containers makes specificity impossible.
How do I determine what should or shouldn't be bolted down? More importantly, how does the cop and/or prosecutor determine this, if it isn't explicitly defined in the law?
My safe is pretty tall and pretty heavy... the law says nothing about "pretty heavy" needing to be bolted down? How many people must it take to lift it before it doesn't need to be bolted?
The laws are as vague as vague gets, and I too think its intentional.
My safe is pretty tall and pretty heavy... the law says nothing about "pretty heavy" needing to be bolted down? How many people must it take to lift it before it doesn't need to be bolted?
The laws are as vague as vague gets, and I too think its intentional.
Unfortunately, where the law is concerned, there are times when common sense must be applied. If it's an actual safe, that would require two people and a hand truck to move, then you're OK. If it's one of these, then not so much. It'll need to be secured. That's why they provide holes, through which it can be secured to a wall and floor.
One of these? Then you've done your due diligence. Nothing is going to stop a determined thief, so all that you can do is slow him down.
It seems like improper storage is synonymous to rape and possessing child porn
We should have laws for proper storage to kitchen knives too, with proper training you slice a throat in 20 secs and have him bleed out.
No.. The original intent of the law was to create a disconnect between violent thoughts and having the means to act on them. The police services (especially in large municipalities where you have a smaller percentage of population with proper firearm education) started adding their own interpretations to the law, mostly to hassle law-abiding citizens as many were managed by anti-gun hacks.
Well a lot changed back in 1995.
Not the law nor the case law.. That doesn't stop certain services from laying those baseless charges, though.. It's not like the cop who charges you has to pay for your prosecution the way you have to pay for your defence.
cycle_lady
New member
The City of Oshawa has this bylaw: http://www.oshawa.ca/documents/Fortification.pdf but there is this one homeowner who has 11 video surveillance cameras and one is situated on a 22' tower that can rotate 360 degrees plus other motion sensors around the exterior of their house. There are video surveillance cameras that are directed down the streets and sidewalks so clearly this is a violation of the bylaw but this homeowner is not being forced to remove or direct the cameras no matter how many residents complaints' that are made to the Bylaw department.
They have a video surveillance camera that monitors between the houses which of course is only 8' wide so the neighbour is constantly being watched and videoed. There is also a motion sensor camera that monitors their neighbour's side door between the houses and when there is motion detected along side the garage to the side door several images are taken. Actually, the neighbour notices that the motion sensor is activated the moment the side door opens, so essentially, still images of them are taken inside their own garage. Not only that but the homeowner's interior lights come on temporarily and their front exterior lights flash as part of the security system but there could be much more inside the house to alert the homeowner. There is also a motion sensor flood light that comes on that is also integrated into the alarm system so when walking in between the houses both these systems can be activated.
In addition to the video surveillance camera, motion sensor light, motion sensor camera there is an additional security feature integrated into this system is the alarm system that when activated that can be heard a long distance away. The neighbour has also experienced tripping the homeowner's alarm system merely by walking on their own driveway and the alarm system starts ringing and front exterior lights start to flash. Creepy!!
So imagine not even being able to walk between houses without being watched, videoed, images taken of you on your own property or inside your garage for that matter.
They have a video surveillance camera that monitors between the houses which of course is only 8' wide so the neighbour is constantly being watched and videoed. There is also a motion sensor camera that monitors their neighbour's side door between the houses and when there is motion detected along side the garage to the side door several images are taken. Actually, the neighbour notices that the motion sensor is activated the moment the side door opens, so essentially, still images of them are taken inside their own garage. Not only that but the homeowner's interior lights come on temporarily and their front exterior lights flash as part of the security system but there could be much more inside the house to alert the homeowner. There is also a motion sensor flood light that comes on that is also integrated into the alarm system so when walking in between the houses both these systems can be activated.
In addition to the video surveillance camera, motion sensor light, motion sensor camera there is an additional security feature integrated into this system is the alarm system that when activated that can be heard a long distance away. The neighbour has also experienced tripping the homeowner's alarm system merely by walking on their own driveway and the alarm system starts ringing and front exterior lights start to flash. Creepy!!
So imagine not even being able to walk between houses without being watched, videoed, images taken of you on your own property or inside your garage for that matter.
.. or reviving a thread thats been dead for almost 2 years.
ashkan
Banned
This^. This whole thing is pure BS. The U.S and soon after to follow Canada are turning into pure police states! We now have NDAA and Anti- terrosit law which basically take away your right to a fair trial based on evidence. Now in Canada, if you are 'suspected' (vague enough for you?) or bering a terrorist or knowing anything about them, you can be put away for upto a year! this allows governments to basically put away anyone who has anything to say against them (if they want to) without providing any evidence! The (not so) land of the free.
