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mimico_polak said:
Just remember….the guys that you ****** off because they ‘couldn’t handle you being awesome’ may be the ones that are asked about you as references.

That’s the curse of the small world. Piss off some of the wrong people and **** bites you in the ass.

Even recently I’ve had a bunch of managers contact me from other departments.

‘hey, heard you worked with so and so…what was that like’

and a lot of times my answer was

‘Smart. But an ******* to everyone around them.’

Guess what…those guys don’t get the call. People want to work with smart and good people…but they prefer the good and competent over the asshat superstars.
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Yes, this is a very good point and solid advice.

I know people washed out of the industry because of this. People have dispersed and every job asshat applied to there is someone working there that has worked with them in the past, they get asked....hey this guy says he worked for XYZ, do you know him?

Even if you stay with the same company, inevitably today's peers or mangers become tomorrow's big decision makers. I have also seen quite a few that got their comeuppance from people they ****** off in the past.

If someone doesn't have the EI to know better.... at least treat everyone like you will work for them in the future.
 
backmarkerducati said:
If someone doesn't have the EI to know better.... at least treat everyone like you will work for them in the future.
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This is how I approach every job. Whether I like the work or not I do the best I can, and treat everyone as a potential future employer or reference.

I’ve had people call me from departments I’ve never even heard of yet at this place…

‘hey, heard about you from so and so and heard you may be able to figure something out or help us out’

and you know…even if I’ve never even heard of the guy I pull all the stops to help them out…because one day soon I’m going to want to move somewhere else, and don’t want the baggage.

I have 3 rules for every job I work in:

1. I don’t get hurt so I come to my family
2. I don’t let anyone get hurt on my watch. If I see something unsafe and didn’t say something I couldn’t sleep at night if a person got injured.
3. I never want to hear the words ‘oh….MP…**** that guy. I wouldn’t ever recommend him.’ About me. Careers get ruined by a bad reputation.

Id rather be competent and a liked colleague instead of a smart douche that puts others down unnecessarily in a dong slinging contest.
 
Man it takes an insane amount of confidence to hang posters of naked cartoon girls behind your head for Zoom meetings. Or maybe that's autism. Who knows.
 
48Connor said:
Man it takes an insane amount of confidence to hang posters of naked cartoon girls behind your head for Zoom meetings. Or maybe that's autism. Who knows.
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Why not both!? LoL

Even if I had the balls to put that up on my wall…I wouldn’t. Out of respect for my colleagues who may not share in my taste of whatever it is you call it.
 
mimico_polak said:
This is how I approach every job. Whether I like the work or not I do the best I can, and treat everyone as a potential future employer or reference.

I’ve had people call me from departments I’ve never even heard of yet at this place…

‘hey, heard about you from so and so and heard you may be able to figure something out or help us out’

and you know…even if I’ve never even heard of the guy I pull all the stops to help them out…because one day soon I’m going to want to move somewhere else, and don’t want the baggage.

I have 3 rules for every job I work in:

1. I don’t get hurt so I come to my family
2. I don’t let anyone get hurt on my watch. If I see something unsafe and didn’t say something I couldn’t sleep at night if a person got injured.
3. I never want to hear the words ‘oh….MP…**** that guy. I wouldn’t ever recommend him.’ About me. Careers get ruined by a bad reputation.

Id rather be competent and a liked colleague instead of a smart douche that puts others down unnecessarily in a dong slinging contest.
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rule #4…always treat the secretaries/assistants/etc well. They are the ones that actually make your life easier.
 
jc100 said:
rule #4…always treat the secretaries/assistants/etc well. They are the ones that actually make your life easier.
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Yes 100% agree. The admin team will make or break your job. I love our admin team. Bless their hearts they can’t get **** done for the life of em sometimes….I just smile, thank them, and tell them we’re good but let’s see how we can resolve this as I’m ready to throw the computer out my window…
 
48Connor said:
I just couldn't imagine having family and friends over and having weird sh*t like that out.
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I've done work in some condos that are decorated like art galleries. One memorable one had at least one wang on every wall. Small ones, big ones, hard ones, soft ones. So many *****.
 
mimico_polak said:
Just remember….the guys that you ****** off because they ‘couldn’t handle you being awesome’ may be the ones that are asked about you as references.

That’s the curse of the small world. Piss off some of the wrong people and **** bites you in the ass.

Even recently I’ve had a bunch of managers contact me from other departments.

‘hey, heard you worked with so and so…what was that like’

and a lot of times my answer was

‘Smart. But an ******* to everyone around them.’

Guess what…those guys don’t get the call. People want to work with smart and good people…but they prefer the good and competent over the asshat superstars.
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Trust me when I say that this path isn't easy nor does the stuff you mention not put immense pressure on myself....for years. We all have a choice: conform to what others want in order to avoid judgment/keep the peace or accept our own internal values and push through it all. I can either choose to have fun with friends and colleagues, or say no and wake up to push myself at 5AM. There is no right or wrong; mid life crisis are often caused by people who spend years meshing, then wake up one day realizing they aren't living the life they want to live and instead of living someone else's definition.

I know I have polarized reviews but the ones I want reviews from are the ones I work well with. For the ones who I don't...well, that's what the mask we all wear is for right?

I should probably mention the way I write here is unfiltered (aka. zero mask.)

48Connor said:
Man it takes an insane amount of confidence to hang posters of naked cartoon girls behind your head for Zoom meetings. Or maybe that's autism. Who knows.
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A clear autism symptom is the inability to mesh into groups due to inability to read social queues. I can mesh into any group due to heavy childhood abuse where words meant nothing and I was forced to read emotions. Hell, I can manipulate others (think seven deadly sins, everyone has a weak point, find it and manipulate it) if needed but prefer to avoid that route; something just feels wrong with it.

Those who know me well enough, including some super successful women, have been in my room and did not find the lewd **** offensive lol

The assumptions made about me in this thread and others I've made are clear sanity check of why going completely unmasked/filtered gets people ******.
 
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If those pics stay exclusively in your personal/private life, then that's fine, but the scenario you've presented has a non-zero chance that you will be exposing those pics to others in their workplaces, via Zoom.

Objectively, it sounds like you're laying the groundwork for a hostile work environment. Perhaps not right now, and perhaps not intentionally, but you're effectively normalizing with your co-workers the idea of having nekkid pictures of women in the workplace. Combine that with your previous admission of making racial jokes (even though they're about your own ethnicity)... can you imagine any HR person in the world who would say that this pattern of behaviour is okay?

I get that the people that you're sharing this info with seem okay with it. But what about the ones who aren't? Some 60% of people (94% of which were women) have reported sexual harassment in their lives. Perhaps one of them is a new hire, and unsure of themselves. You appear to have some influence at your company - do you think that new hire is going to speak up, or are they going to play along and say they're okay with it?

The disturbing part is the more senior leadership types who are on board with the idea. You might leave this company at some point in the future, but the normalization of the behaviour will linger long after you've left. Have you thought about how Activision's frat boy culture got started?
 
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I get that the people that you're sharing this info with seem okay with it. But what about the ones who aren't? Some 60% of people (94% of which were women) have reported sexual harassment in their lives. Perhaps one of them is a new hire, and unsure of themselves. You appear to have some influence at your company - do you think that new hire is going to speak up, or are they going to play along and say they're okay with it?

The disturbing part is the more senior leadership types who are on board with the idea. You might leave this company at some point in the future, but the normalization of the behaviour will linger long after you've left. Have you thought about how Activision's frat boy culture got started?
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There is a massive difference between having half naked drawn pictures on my wall versus the exec team train gangbanging a woman or asking her if she enjoys penetration when a pentester applicant was a woman.

If I see either of those in my work place, I'm either going to jail for assault or quitting.
 
油井緋色 said:
I know I have polarized reviews but the ones I want reviews from are the ones I work well with. For the ones who I don't...well, that's what the mask we all wear is for right?
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Well see this is the thing...the ones you don't want to work with are the ones that can ruin your career...that's what you don't seem to be getting. Because they're the ones that can provide you with a path to success, or block you to move forward/sideways in the future.

In addition, you're focused on being YOUR awesome self and projecting a view of confidence, power, and all the other good stuff...which is great.

But, as @Ash stated you appear to be in a leadership position, and not everyone will share this viewpoint. As such you are very openly putting yourself in a compromising position where HR/Senior Management will NOT have your back. You can expose yourself to all the potential sexual harassment / discrimination / bullying claims...but not the company.

As mentioned by others, once the risk of keeping you on gets higher than the risk of letting you go...it's an easy decision to be made. And no amount of goodwill from senior managers will allow them to expose themselves for you. You're just another dude. No more. No less.

Now I don't know you, and frankly have nothing against what you posted, but I'll 100% guarantee that even some of the people who are 'cool with it, and open minded' are putting on a mask for YOU because they want your acceptance. Cross a line too far...and that goes away too.
 
油井緋色 said:
There is a massive difference between having half naked drawn pictures on my wall versus the exec team train gangbanging a woman or asking her if she enjoys penetration when a pentester applicant was a woman.

If I see either of those in my work place, I'm either going to jail for assault or quitting.
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I can't speak for @Ash but the point is IMO the slippery slope. It never starts there (the end game at Activision), inappropriate items and behaviour fester, normalize and then escalate until it gets worse and possibly all the way there.
 
backmarkerducati said:
I can't speak for @Ash but the point is IMO the slippery slope. It never starts there (the end game at Activision), inappropriate items and behaviour fester, normalize and then escalate until it gets worse and possibly all the way there.
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This is a larger topic actually that stems from the video game community I grew up with. Those same guys became devs...the ones that caused women to realize it's a mistake if they open their mouth on microphone.

It all boils down to my original intent: be authentic (requires far less judgment than societal norms), get **** done, feel good about the environment you're in.

mimico_polak said:
Well see this is the thing...the ones you don't want to work with are the ones that can ruin your career...that's what you don't seem to be getting. Because they're the ones that can provide you with a path to success, or block you to move forward/sideways in the future.

In addition, you're focused on being YOUR awesome self and projecting a view of confidence, power, and all the other good stuff...which is great.

But, as @Ash stated you appear to be in a leadership position, and not everyone will share this viewpoint. As such you are very openly putting yourself in a compromising position where HR/Senior Management will NOT have your back. You can expose yourself to all the potential sexual harassment / discrimination / bullying claims...but not the company.

As mentioned by others, once the risk of keeping you on gets higher than the risk of letting you go...it's an easy decision to be made. And no amount of goodwill from senior managers will allow them to expose themselves for you. You're just another dude. No more. No less.

Now I don't know you, and frankly have nothing against what you posted, but I'll 100% guarantee that even some of the people who are 'cool with it, and open minded' are putting on a mask for YOU because they want your acceptance. Cross a line too far...and that goes away too.
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It isn't about anyone being awesome. It's about empowering everyone to do what they want to do by leading through example instead of peer pressuring others into conforming. This is what I meant earlier by saying "people are afraid." Hell, everything you, @backmarkerducati, @Ash, are great reasons to keep a mask on, and are part of the root cause for why dating and public presentations are hard for many: fear of judgment and consequences for not conforming.
 
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油井緋色 said:
This is a larger topic actually that stems from the video game community I grew up with. Those same guys became devs...the ones that caused women to realize it's a mistake if they open their mouth on microphone.

It all boils down to my original intent: be authentic (requires far less judgment than societal norms), get **** done, feel good about the environment you're in.
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And more important, don't make the environment toxic for others even if you think they don't mind. Even if they say they don't it does not mean they don't.
 
油井緋色 said:
It all boils down to my original intent: be authentic (requires far less judgment than societal norms), get **** done, feel good about the environment you're in.
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Once again, need (or should) consider the environment you're creating around you.
 
油井緋色 said:
It all boils down to my original intent: be authentic (requires far less judgment than societal norms), get **** done, feel good about the environment you're in.
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This may have been covered already, but are you creating a positive environment for the people around you? I honestly can't imagine anyone in a management position that would be ok with what you are doing.

Doesn't matter how much they like you and your nekkid posters, and how great of an employee you are, you are a massive liability. All it takes is one disgruntled employee to make a complaint to the labour board or file a lawsuit and they are ******. Same thing with a future recommendation, would you recommend an amazing employee to someone that has a very good chance of getting that company sued?

You say that you do not want to put on a fake persona for people, try to imagine it another way. I don't want to wear pants. If I go on a Zoom call in my undies, things will not end well. There are certain societal norms that we all have to abide by in the workplace, such as pants and no sexy time posters. Reminds me of the Chappelle skit, when keeping it real goes wrong
 
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