Woman killed by Wheel

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RoadHogg said:
Your right there is something laughable here.. You better put on your tinfoil hat. Someone is at fault yes, ah forget it go scream at your computer about the evils of everyone.
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I should mass produce those tinfoil hats then because then maybe people would understand the legal duties placed on them when they go out and engage in activities that involve other people.
 
A very-very sad time for the family involved, three days before X-Mas....
There used to be a time when truck drivers were the best drivers on the road......
 
I would always put myself in with the trucks when in a really bad storm on the 401 because they were always the best drivers out there. As long as they knew I was there they babysat me. Now I take back roads just to stay out of their way in storms.
 
As an additional note I have it on good intel that the wheel separated from the axle so it was much more than just a wheel and rim that hit the car, still a terrible thing to have happen to someone, my condolences to the family.
 
OpenGambit said:
I should mass produce those tinfoil hats then because then maybe people would understand the legal duties placed on them when they go out and engage in activities that involve other people.
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Yes then why don't you understand there may be more than just the driver or others responsible? If the lugs were sheered off because they were over tightened the driver can't check that, or something wrong that is internal? Maybe it wasn't, we can't say. That was my point that you could not grasp. You blamed it on the driver and car insurance?? (That I never discussed) Anyways whatever.. bye.
 
the long distance truck drivers are pro's, the city drivers are cowboys. you can trust the trucker by the plate on the trailor, out of state or province tags.
 
RoadHogg said:
Yes then why don't you understand there may be more than just the driver or others responsible? If the lugs were sheered off because they were over tightened the driver can't check that, or something wrong that is internal? Maybe it wasn't, we can't say. That was my point that you could not grasp. You blamed it on the driver and car insurance?? (That I never discussed) Anyways whatever.. bye.
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I understand everything you are saying, its just irelevant to the concept of legal duties, responsibility and compensation. Ignoring the existence of insurance companies in the picture is also fantasy land material.
 
Terrible way to die ...

My rule is to not hang around trucks in general. Don't spend any more time behind or besides them anymore than I have to. Foot on the throttle and let's get away from them as quickly and safely as possible. They block my forward view anyways . Sometimes you have no choice, but that's usually when traffic is crawling and in those cases this type of an deadly accident would most likely not have happened.

When the loose wheel comes from opposing traffic on a no-highway road .... well not much you can do about that. Wrong place wrong time ... bad luck.

I really feel sorry for the husband and kids.
 
Gummiente said:
It never ceases to amaze me how some threads on GTAM can go ballistic in only a few posts.

I am a truck driver. If I do a proper, recorded pre-trip inspection on my truck and trailer - regardless of whether it's my own company's trailer or from another company - and a wheel assembly later comes off while driving, I am immediately held responsible because I am the driver of the vehicle. The subsequent investigation, and there will be one, may exonerate me and shift the blame onto the last mechanic who serviced the trailer, but the "operating an unsafe vehicle" charge will remain on my commercial driver's licence and my company's safety record. The court battle, and there will be one, will be handled by the insurance companies and, regardless of the outcome, the "operarting an unsafe vehicle" charge will still remain on my commercial driver's licence and my company's safety record. For me to be charged with murder, it would have to be proven that I willingly and knowingly drove a vehicle with a wheel assembly that was not safely secured. In the meantime, the people who were injured/killed as a result of the wheel assembly hitting their vehicle... remain dead.

I can't speak for the rest of commercial licensed drivers in Canada, but I can speak for myself - because I know what the penalties are and have a functioning conscience and strong morals, I do not and will not ever knowingly operate a vehicle if it fails a pre-trip inspection. The potential for a catastrophic outcome far outweighs the dismal compensation I get paid for completing the trip and delivering the load. In other words, the risk is not worth the reward. But if something happens to the vehicle as a result of something that was beyond my control (and a good example is given in another post here about a fractured steering arm), I still end up getting charged for it - that's part and parcel of being a trucker. And that most certainly does not make me a "murderer".
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+1 for your ethics. Unfortunately sometimes the hardest part of a job (Any job) is to say "NO" to the boss when asked to do an unsafe thing. Doubley unfortunate is the lack of support for those that stand up and refuse to endanger others.
 
Charly said:
I would always put myself in with the trucks when in a really bad storm on the 401 because they were always the best drivers out there. As long as they knew I was there they babysat me. Now I take back roads just to stay out of their way in storms.
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always learned to stay away from them - when I lived in saskatchewan the roads were so bad (and many of them still are) that the dual tires of the trucks tended to pick up chunks and throw them...
i've also seen some trucks do some interesting things... exciting things...
 
Terrible, terrible accident at the worst possible time for that family.

I don't think forcing trucks to use the 407 at no charge would change the issue, but at least they'd be away from people just trying to get to work on the rest of the 400 series highways. Life can be unfair sometimes.
 
nobbie48 said:
+1 for your ethics. Unfortunately sometimes the hardest part of a job (Any job) is to say "NO" to the boss when asked to do an unsafe thing. Doubley unfortunate is the lack of support for those that stand up and refuse to endanger others.
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It's not as bad to do so these days as it was, say, 10 years ago. Nowadays, both the driver and the company he drives for receive fines and "points" for infractions. Under recent changes to the CSA (Comprehensive Safety Analysis) if a driver and/or company receive too many points for infractions, the governments of Canada and the US have the authourity to shut them down for good. It has already happened to a few of the bottom feeder companies and many drivers in Ontario and is only the beginning of a massive change in the way trucking companies will be doing business in a few years from now. So companies are geerally less likely to "force dispatch" a driver if he reports an unsafe truck or trailer. It's one of the reasons I drive for Hyndman Transport, they are VERY safety conscious and do not argue with their drivers over safety related issues with their fleet.

Unfortunately, though, there will still be innocent lives put at risk each day by less reputable companies and owner/operators; there's just no way to catch all the offenders with the limited resources of government transportartion authourities like the MTO.
 
According to cp24 the police have found the truck an driver. No word on any possible charges, no word on location or id of either.
 
nobbie48 said:
+1 for your ethics. Unfortunately sometimes the hardest part of a job (Any job) is to say "NO" to the boss when asked to do an unsafe thing. Doubley unfortunate is the lack of support for those that stand up and refuse to endanger others.
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Its your right to say NO to any job that is unsafe, no??
 
RockerGuy said:
Its your right to say NO to any job that is unsafe, no??
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It is, but many people are unaware of their rights. I still remember an occasion when I was asked to put my hand under a heavy metal plate being propped up by 2 guys with smooth metal bars. The supervisor ended up finding a sucker willing to risk it for nothing and the sucker even heard my pretty detailed refusal. He lucked out but the risk was great.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
It is, but many people are unaware of their rights. I still remember an occasion when I was asked to put my hand under a heavy metal plate being propped up by 2 guys with smooth metal bars. The supervisor ended up finding a sucker willing to risk it for nothing and the sucker even heard my pretty detailed refusal. He lucked out but the risk was great.
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If memory serves me right, the employer should inform you of these laws too
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