Windows 8 Without A Touch Screen?

[imkruzen]

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And then there are the businesses that are required to buy a Win8 pre-licensed system but have organization wide licensing for Win7, that are simply wiping and reinstalling the already licensed PCs. Those appear as Win8 sales, but Win 8 is never even booted up once.

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You never own software, you rent it.

 

[imkruzen]

So it took them a full sub-rev to get them right back to where the Betas were.

They listen to consumers. Get your free upgrade.

 

[imkruzen]

Just switched to Windows 8.1 (from 7) on my desktop. Though I don't like the metro BS, I can suffer through. I just set my default programs to ones other than those default Metro "apps," and now the only time I have to deal with Metro is if I need a program that isn't pinned to my task bar or desktop.

I did like the installation process (having it take care of the drivers itself) and I am a huge fan of the multi-monitor support. I have 3 monitors, and having the task bar extend all the way across, and update each monitor's task bar when a window is moved to it is fantastic. Much much better than Windows 7. That is enough for me to stay with Windows 8.1, regardless of metro.

If I had only 1 monitor, though, I might be inclined to revert back to 7

Learn the software and how to use it, not hap hazard clicking all over.
Read here for happy computing
http://www.howtogeek.com/tag/windows8/
http://www.askvg.com/category/windows-8/
http://www.eightforums.com/

 

[imkruzen]

So it took them a full sub-rev to get them right back to where the Betas were.

Win 7 after SP1 has over 600 security patches and hotfixes rolled out. I just downloaded 481 yesterday to inject into the wim file for a fresh install.

 

[imkruzen]

Clean
Desktop

 

[Shaman]

Oh man. Fanboy desktop. First thing I do to any OS is turn off all the crappy, useless cruft like on-screen monitors and useless shadows etc.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

They listen to consumers. Get your free upgrade.

If they listened to consumers, it would have been there from the beginning. Win8 seems to be as bad a misstep as Vista was.

Win 7 after SP1 has over 600 security patches and hotfixes rolled out. I just downloaded 481 yesterday to inject into the wim file for a fresh install.

And your point is that Win7 is bad because it's been patched for the years that it's been out? Let's see how Win8 holds up in a few years.

TERMS
Each Enterprise Agreement enrollment has a three-year term, providing you with a defined amount of time that the terms and prices of your purchasing relationship with Microsoft remain consistent for all products covered in the initial order. This gives you the ability to plan and budget for software license purchases up to three years in advance, reducing annual budget restrictions and easing fiscal year spending challenges. Each enrollment has the option for either a one- or three-year renewal term.

You never own software, you rent it.

Absolutely immaterial to my point.

 

[tricky]

Metro is what most people's desktop looks like in the older windows.

I don't understand what that means. My desktop in the older Windows looked like a regular desktop, not Metro.

Learn the software and how to use it, not hap hazard clicking all over.

I don't understand what this has to do with Metro, either.

 

[imkruzen]

Absolutely immaterial to my point.

Whooosh

 

[imkruzen]

I don't understand what that means. My desktop in the older Windows looked like a regular desktop, not Metro.



I don't understand what this has to do with Metro, either.

Decorated with icons all over.

 

[imkruzen]

If they listened to consumers, it would have been there from the beginning. Win8 seems to be as bad a misstep as Vista was.

Open a thread "I hate Win 8" You'll have no lack of company.

The OP here in case you missed it was to get his Win 8 upgraded to 8.1, not all this garbage about opinions on the operating system. Totally useless information to him. He's prob stopped reading the worthless postings.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Whooosh

No 'whoosh' involved at all. My comment was that new PC sales show up as new sales of an unwanted, but pre-licensed O/S. You followed up with the created from whole cloth by the software industry premise that the user does not actually own the software, which exists solely for the purpose of blocking copying, editing, and reverse engineering. As I said, it's immaterial to my point.

Open a thread "I hate Win 8" You'll have no lack of company.

The OP here in case you missed it was to get his Win 8 upgraded to 8.1, not all this garbage about opinions on the operating system. Totally useless information to him. He's prob stopped reading the worthless postings.

Well I should certainly hope that he's given up reading it, unless he's interested in the ongoing discussion on the relative merits of operating systems, since his original question was answered within the first two pages.

 

[油井緋色]

Learn the software and how to use it, not hap hazard clicking all over.
Read here for happy computing
http://www.howtogeek.com/tag/windows8/
http://www.askvg.com/category/windows-8/
http://www.eightforums.com/

....What?

I want you to go read a design book, any of them. They all focus on designing software for the end-user, not what the technology is capable of. I'm all for learning to learn new stuff, but if a consumer has to learn how to use something then it is not intuitive. This is why POS systems have always sucked and why companies waste crap tons of dollars training people.

Google products, in general, are very intuitive. They all have a very low learning curve. No consumer should have to learn how to use any software unless they are aiming at efficiency AND effectively doing something. Once you get into this realm, it's almost always best to use some kind of command line interface (engine consoles, cmd, Terminal, etc.).

And, once again, this is why Windows 8 is complete **** on a mouse and keyboard. I picked up OSX faster than Windows 8 despite not having used an Apple OS since elementary school when they weren't even colored!

 

[LiNK666]

 

[SunnY S]

The OP here in case you missed it was to get his Win 8 upgraded to 8.1, not all this garbage about opinions on the operating system. Totally useless information to him. He's prob stopped reading the worthless postings.

Nope, still here enjoying this thread. I like experimenting with all the OSes so perhaps I'm more "openminded" than some of the others on here. At any given time, sometimes all in the same day, I use a Blackberry10 phone, BB Playbook, Win7 (work), Win8 (home), iPad (entertainment and apps), and MacBook (mostly for simple web browsing and forums). Should have an Android tablet in my arsenal soon, as I'd like to taste the Android experience further.

Having said that, Win 8 is just fine, and I have no problem removing the useless tiles on the Metro, and keeping the ones I don't mind. Most of the time, I switch to desktop mode anyway. But I totally see how Win8 is more designed for tablets and touch screens though.

 

[imkruzen]

I picked up OSX faster than Windows 8 despite not having used an Apple OS since elementary school when they weren't even colored!

There are different competency levels with all different types of people.
Good for you, you found what you like. So did I, Win 8.
Don't ever try Adobe Photoshop CS, if you think Win 8 is hard.

 

[imkruzen]

Having said that, Win 8 is just fine, and I have no problem removing the useless tiles on the Metro, and keeping the ones I don't mind. Most of the time, I switch to desktop mode anyway. But I totally see how Win8 is more designed for tablets and touch screens though.

Did you make any progress to download and upgrade to 8.1?
I like it better than 8. Couple Guys at work did the same and had the same opinion. I made an 8.1 install disk for him with Office 15 pre-installed.
I removed most of the tiles for his install. So when it's done there are only 3 tiles in the start screen. They are still accesssable from the all prog list. He wasn't sure if he wanted to change from Win 7, but he's technically literate. He fixes computers as well. So Win 8.1 wasn't a challenge and he likes 8.1 over Win 8.
I encouraged him to do it, he's happy with it.

If you can you should do a clean install of any operating system.

In Jan 2014 M$ is releasing something new. Can't wait for Win 9. See if it takes more than 3 hrs to figure out. hehehe

 

[imkruzen]

I'm all for learning to learn new stuff, but if a consumer has to learn how to use something then it is not intuitive.

I still see a lot of owners manuals included with products. Does that mean if a manual is included that the product isn't "intuitive?" Be a quick way to decide whether I should buy it, if it has a manual.
Looking fwd to your advice. Thanks for pointing that out.

I always aim at the highest efficiency, I like mental challenge and excercising thought process. I have never had any interest in games, cell phones, tablets or laptops. Total waste of my time and nothing to gain. I build my own machines since computers became consumer items. Never owned a prebuilt that comes with all that crapware and OEM custom BIOS, cheap components like integrated MB or Seagate, Fujisu drives. Those are general consumer items that are mass built and scrap after 4 yrs. So ya, topshelf stuff, latest and the greatest resides in my residence. Most people learn by clicking. Hahaha. Idiots.

 

[Shaman]

lol

Are we going to measure computer-building phallic sizes here? OK, I'll bite. Here's a couple systems I built, which have never run Windows (ghad, why would I).

36 drives in front, 24 drives in back, 32 logical processors, 128GB memory. 4x1Gbps bonded ports and dual 10Gb bonded ports. 2TB drives mirrored in RAID 1+0 gives this system 52TB of space.

processor       : 31
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 45
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650 0 @ 2.00GHz
stepping        : 7
microcode       : 0x70d
cpu MHz         : 2000.030
cache size      : 20480 KB
physical id     : 1
siblings        : 16
core id         : 7
cpu cores       : 8
apicid          : 47
initial apicid  : 47
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 13
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid dca sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx lahf_lm ida arat epb xsaveopt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips        : 4000.46
clflush size    : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 46 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

140 drive SAN, fibrechannel ultrascsi, 15,000 rpm fibre-attach drives:

You can find both of these and a whole lot more in my server room right now. The computer I'm typing this on is a Intel 980X clocked up to 4.3Ghz with a liquid cooling system and 1800Mhz memory, which I built in 2010. Basement experts just slay me, :lmao:

Oh right, pics of the computer's internals, for when I replaced the defective AMD 5970 with a 7970 they sent me as replacement:

So much for "Windows 8 is awesome because I can build a home computer," amirite?

 

[wonderings]

Does Win 8.1 bring things a bit closer to the way Windows 7 operates? I use windows on occasion, OS X is my primary OS as 99% of what I do is done on a mac. I did try the dev build of Win 8 a while back before its release and was not a fan, partly because it is just so radically different. I would give Windows 8 a try on my PC at home if it could be made to run a bit more like Win 7, the classic Windows way. Would make integrating and getting into the new features easier rather then just forcing me to do it there way. Let me adapt at my own pace.

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