Anecdotal, but I had a Sony Vaio that was a rock. It was my own stupidity that caused its downfall.
Windows 8 Without A Touch Screen?
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Anecdotal, but I had a Sony Vaio that was a rock. It was my own stupidity that caused its downfall.
I've heard many good things about Vaios.
Where do you find this option, please?
Bunch of crying babies lol "I DONT LIKE CHANGE!!!"
I use it without touch screen, it is awesome. Who cares about the stupid start button, click on your windows button and start typing whatever it is that you want to find and it will be right there on the screen.
I use it without touch screen, it is awesome. Who cares about the stupid start button, click on your windows button and start typing whatever it is that you want to find and it will be right there on the screen.
Venom01
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Just bought a new lappy with win8 and I always go right to desktop mode. I know that there's gotta be a way to set it to go straight to desktop mode. Other then that it's not so bad. Now my brother has a touch screen computer and I HATE IT! Screen is always a mess with fingerprints and smears. Save the touch for tablets and phones. We don't need that crap on a laptop or desktop.
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Recently updated our home computer since Windows won't be supporting XP anymore soon. Went with Win8
Could this be the reason why I can't upgrade my Win8 to 8.1? Tried everything, even the MS support website and did everything they said, but Windows store won't show me an upgrade.
BTW, using Win 8 on a home desktop. Its great. Have Win 7 at the office, don't mind Win 8 at all. I suspect people just dislike change!
wheeliemachine
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It's really random. Make sure your date, time and timezone are correct. Then go into desktop mode, right click on the desktop, personalize, desktop icons, check them all on. Right click "computer" or whatever it decides to name it, properties. Click the Windows Update link in the lower left. Keep doing the updates over and over until there are no more left to do. Right when you think you're done give it a reboot and check one more time. When no updates are left to do, go back to Metro interface, Store, just leave it sit on the store home screen for a few mins then it should swap out with "Upgrade to Windows 8.1".
After installing windows 8.1 install Classic Shell (if you want it to default to desktop mode on boot): http://www.classicshell.net/
After installing that, click the "start" button on the desktop interface and the Classic Shell program should pop up. Put a checkmark at the bottom where it says "replace start button", done!
You can download the Windows 8.1 Upgrade Disc right from microsoft: http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-1849920/download-iso-version-windows.html
This page also has some useful information: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/apps/br229516
Good luck.
imkruzen
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Read the tutorial here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows-8/update-from-windows-8-tutorial
Make sure you have KB2871389 update installed. After you’ve restarted your PC, on the Start screen, click Store, and you should see the Windows 8.1 update.
You don't need classic shell in win 8.1. Just right click on the tool bar and select properties and select the options there. Start on desktop is there.
I did the upgrade and it seemed to slow the response compared to a fresh install. Make a backup of your important files. There will be a folder named "Windows old". When your done with checking that folder for missing files, you can delete it using the "Disk Clean-up" utility in windows. Without using that tool you won't be able to delete it by right clicking on it. Make sure you have a valid product key to enter. The upgrade takes some time to download. Just over 3 gigs, so be patient.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows-8/update-from-windows-8-tutorial
Make sure you have KB2871389 update installed. After you’ve restarted your PC, on the Start screen, click Store, and you should see the Windows 8.1 update.
You don't need classic shell in win 8.1. Just right click on the tool bar and select properties and select the options there. Start on desktop is there.
I did the upgrade and it seemed to slow the response compared to a fresh install. Make a backup of your important files. There will be a folder named "Windows old". When your done with checking that folder for missing files, you can delete it using the "Disk Clean-up" utility in windows. Without using that tool you won't be able to delete it by right clicking on it. Make sure you have a valid product key to enter. The upgrade takes some time to download. Just over 3 gigs, so be patient.
imkruzen
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Forgot to mention, if you have a Volume Channel version installed you won't get the upgrade through the "Store"
If you're not sure, follow the instructions below to identify your version.
1, open the run dialog box, use the windows key + R
2. in there type: slmgr.vbs /dli
3. you'll see a window named "Windows Script Host"
4. On that first line you should see either "RETAIL" or "Volume Channel"
Also if you used a MAK Key to activate Windows 8, you cannot upgrade (Multiple Activation Key)
If you're not sure, follow the instructions below to identify your version.
1, open the run dialog box, use the windows key + R
2. in there type: slmgr.vbs /dli
3. you'll see a window named "Windows Script Host"
4. On that first line you should see either "RETAIL" or "Volume Channel"
Also if you used a MAK Key to activate Windows 8, you cannot upgrade (Multiple Activation Key)
When the change entails optimizations for another form factor on a machine that's supposed to be a desktop and your home desktop computer being used as an advertising platform I can see how it can become a bit of a "challenge" for Microsoft's prop... marketing department to brainwa... convince their vic.. valued customers, to accept the reality being push.... presented to them
imkruzen
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Rage coming here...
Sorry, I've been hearing and reading it for over a year or so now.
You click the damn button. You know it's going to take you to the start screen. How can the expected behavior be "jarring" unless you're unable to comprehend what you're doing?
Sounds like the only real problem with Windows 8 is that the people who have issues with it have no critical thinking skills and no sense of situational awareness.
Whenever I read that, I imagine a guy sitting at a computer. He moves his mouse to the bottom left, where he's always put his mouse to open Start. He sees the small recreation of the Start screen. He's installed Windows 8 on his own, and knows what it is he's using. He sees the small symbolic version of the Start screen just as he's seen it hundreds of times since he installed Windows 8 because he got a damn good deal on it for forty bucks.
He clicks it and then has a seizure, flailing around and spewing his Dr. Pepper around the room because he's too stupid to know that just like every other time he's clicked the damn start button it goes to the start screen like it even SHOWS HIM it will do.
If someone who hates technology can not only tolerate but like this but embrace it... I think there's a lot of people out there who haven't given a full measure to being a tech fan.
It's just epic levels of butthurt, that is all. Nothing will change my opinion that anyone who finds this stuff hard to use is an idiot. You're either intelligent enough to use a computer and deal with change, or you're not and maybe you should just be using an abacus or something. Now get off my internet.
Sorry, I've been hearing and reading it for over a year or so now.
You click the damn button. You know it's going to take you to the start screen. How can the expected behavior be "jarring" unless you're unable to comprehend what you're doing?
Sounds like the only real problem with Windows 8 is that the people who have issues with it have no critical thinking skills and no sense of situational awareness.
Whenever I read that, I imagine a guy sitting at a computer. He moves his mouse to the bottom left, where he's always put his mouse to open Start. He sees the small recreation of the Start screen. He's installed Windows 8 on his own, and knows what it is he's using. He sees the small symbolic version of the Start screen just as he's seen it hundreds of times since he installed Windows 8 because he got a damn good deal on it for forty bucks.
He clicks it and then has a seizure, flailing around and spewing his Dr. Pepper around the room because he's too stupid to know that just like every other time he's clicked the damn start button it goes to the start screen like it even SHOWS HIM it will do.
If someone who hates technology can not only tolerate but like this but embrace it... I think there's a lot of people out there who haven't given a full measure to being a tech fan.
It's just epic levels of butthurt, that is all. Nothing will change my opinion that anyone who finds this stuff hard to use is an idiot. You're either intelligent enough to use a computer and deal with change, or you're not and maybe you should just be using an abacus or something. Now get off my internet.
Exactly
I freaking love the fact that there isn't a start button to click and then go find a program, when all i can do is start typing said program name and it appears, damn windows for making things "so hard"
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Followed everything in that link. got all the latest files and updates. No dice. How do I make sure I got the KB file on my system? Apparently its supposed to load automatically on my system through win updates.
Just have an off the shelf Dell desktop, private customer, home use. BTW, I totally see how Win 8 is biased for tablet/touchscreen laptop use, however, not really an issue using it as a desktop OS and a mouse.
Here is what I get :
"Windows CORE edition"
"Windows(R) operating system. OEM_DM channel"
also mentions other info like "licensed" and a "partial product key code."
Have a hunch its a "Dell" thing. Going to call their tech support on the weekend and see what they have to say. Will report back.
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imkruzen
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Get this tool to find your key and info on your system. You might need your key for the upgrade.
Tool Win TK
To find out if you have the KB hot fix installed go to the action center and click on "Windows Update" on the new screen upper left corner, click on "Update History". Check the list of updates and see if that KB is installed.
The KB2871389 Windows update is required to be installed for the 8.1 update to be available in the Store. Manual install if you don't have it, download it here.
If you have not already, you will need to temporarily disable or uninstall any 3rd party AV or security program you have installed first to prevent it from interfering with the update to Windows 8.1. You can enable or reinstall it after the update has finished.
Tool Win TK
To find out if you have the KB hot fix installed go to the action center and click on "Windows Update" on the new screen upper left corner, click on "Update History". Check the list of updates and see if that KB is installed.
The KB2871389 Windows update is required to be installed for the 8.1 update to be available in the Store. Manual install if you don't have it, download it here.
If you have not already, you will need to temporarily disable or uninstall any 3rd party AV or security program you have installed first to prevent it from interfering with the update to Windows 8.1. You can enable or reinstall it after the update has finished.
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imkruzen
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A fresh install is best.
If you use MSDN official iso for 8.1, Windows installer may not be able to detect the OEM key. So you need to use the generic keys to install appropriate edition & after completion install your OEM key. The Windows activates automatically if internet connection is available.
Generic key for install only: Core= 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT
Professional=XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB
If you use the generic key to install, input you product key after with this command:en command prompt as administrator and paste the following to insert you key:
Cscript.exe %windir%\system32\slmgr.vbs /ipk xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx replace the x's with your oem key
For Core and PRO, if you use MSDN ISO(without ei.cfg) to do a fresh install, the installation will also automatically detects your OEM key and you don't need to enter a generic key for it.
Open the iso file with Ultra ISO or your prefered iso file extractor. The ei.cfg is located in the sources folder of the install media. Just delete it. Save the iso and create a bootable USB to instal a fresh copy of Win 8.1.
MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.8.1.RTM.X86.ENGLISH.DVD-WZT
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:40A31912E9C1227826397B208228EFF3839802D
FILE: Windows_8.1_EN-US_x86.ISO
SIZE: 2,915,131,392 byte
SHA-1: 802CFCD3A411D99C097EA7E747F0B6697F9BDAC4
MD5: 7DD36FEA0D004ACFEDBDB3A5521EF5FF
MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.8.1.RTM.X64.ENGLISH.DVD-WZT
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:958ED16A00869C0BA4C04815AB500FFA1F2EE92E
FILE: Windows_8.1_EN-US_x64.ISO
SIZE: 3,899,295,744 byte
SHA-1: BC2F7FF5C91C9F0F8676E39E703085C65072139B
MD5: F104B78019E86E74B149AE5E510F7BE9
MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.8.1.SINGLE.LANGUAGE.RTM.X64.ENGLISH.DVD-WZT
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:77B846F5C9B197A24E2E11B50B3A5A49CFE7C59E
FILE: 9600.16384.130821-1623_x64fre_Client_SingleLanguage_EN-US-IRM_CSLA_DV5.ISO
SIZE: 3,838,724,096 byte
SHA-1: 10F0288681BF56D22D9ADC58E27BEE2D781E6A1D
MD5: 22B42364D905BD6EC9C2F143BC9A8F8E
Replace those stupid smiley faces with colon question mark
If you use MSDN official iso for 8.1, Windows installer may not be able to detect the OEM key. So you need to use the generic keys to install appropriate edition & after completion install your OEM key. The Windows activates automatically if internet connection is available.
Generic key for install only: Core= 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT
Professional=XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB
If you use the generic key to install, input you product key after with this command:en command prompt as administrator and paste the following to insert you key:
Cscript.exe %windir%\system32\slmgr.vbs /ipk xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx replace the x's with your oem key
For Core and PRO, if you use MSDN ISO(without ei.cfg) to do a fresh install, the installation will also automatically detects your OEM key and you don't need to enter a generic key for it.
Open the iso file with Ultra ISO or your prefered iso file extractor. The ei.cfg is located in the sources folder of the install media. Just delete it. Save the iso and create a bootable USB to instal a fresh copy of Win 8.1.
MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.8.1.RTM.X86.ENGLISH.DVD-WZT
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:40A31912E9C1227826397B208228EFF3839802D
FILE: Windows_8.1_EN-US_x86.ISO
SIZE: 2,915,131,392 byte
SHA-1: 802CFCD3A411D99C097EA7E747F0B6697F9BDAC4
MD5: 7DD36FEA0D004ACFEDBDB3A5521EF5FF
MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.8.1.RTM.X64.ENGLISH.DVD-WZT
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:958ED16A00869C0BA4C04815AB500FFA1F2EE92E
FILE: Windows_8.1_EN-US_x64.ISO
SIZE: 3,899,295,744 byte
SHA-1: BC2F7FF5C91C9F0F8676E39E703085C65072139B
MD5: F104B78019E86E74B149AE5E510F7BE9
MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.8.1.SINGLE.LANGUAGE.RTM.X64.ENGLISH.DVD-WZT
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:77B846F5C9B197A24E2E11B50B3A5A49CFE7C59E
FILE: 9600.16384.130821-1623_x64fre_Client_SingleLanguage_EN-US-IRM_CSLA_DV5.ISO
SIZE: 3,838,724,096 byte
SHA-1: 10F0288681BF56D22D9ADC58E27BEE2D781E6A1D
MD5: 22B42364D905BD6EC9C2F143BC9A8F8E
Replace those stupid smiley faces with colon question mark
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GP_RZ
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Got a good deal on a new laptop, but its Windows 8 and no touch screen. Using Win 8 without a touch screen is supposed to be very frustrating. Anyone cross this path with both yet?
Oh, and to make this about motorcycles, have the leaves started changing on your rides yet? Any spectacular scenery?
Yup, and I really do not like Win8, My wife wone a HP laptop at work cool, just a basic model but it come with win 8....took us 20 minutes to find how to shut win8 down...long story short the the video card does not support win7 so we are outa luck....if you can downgrade to win7 I would do it 4 sure.
imkruzen
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If you can't handle it it's your best option. Some people like what they are used to. Average users of computers have little knowledge of the operating systems and functionality. Change throws them into a loop b/c the just got programed to the system they've been using for 5 yrs.
Personally after using Win 8 for a year and a half, I'd never go back to Win 7. Win 8 has great built in features that Win 7 lacks. You should stick with Win 7 as most average users. You won't tap the potentials of 8 anyway so Win 7 is enough for you.
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