Will the real Pierre Poilievre please stand up?

[jc100]

cancel culture, indeed

This is just an extension of identity politics and it’s exploited and propagated by both parties. Right wing parties propagate it to rile up a a base to get exposure just as much as left wing parties do.

It’s childish school yard antics from both sides.

 

[raginduck]

Fair discussion....but....changing to once or twice a week delivery however would likely also have many unintended consequences when all of a sudden they lose 90% of their parcel deliveries, because we know nobody wants to wait an extra 2-3 days for their Amazon delivery, or whatever.
And if I'm not mistaken, CP makes waaaaaay more money on their parcel service vs lettermail. So in the end this may end up actually costing us all way MORE money than saving anything.

Unintended consequences, afterall.

CP doesn't make enough from the parcels to make it profitable... and never will.
There's lots of other delivery services out there.. Amazon uses many different delivery services.. they would simply move the CP deliveries over to other carriers if CP was eliminated.
CP does go places the others don't currently go.. but that would change if CP was eliminated.

 

[nobbie48]

While we are on the subject..Air Canada has been the beneficiary of buckets loads of cash from the government. During the pandemic they canned flights from our local airport and they never came back. So we are 2.5h from Pearson with a recently upgraded airport that’s just sitting there quiet and empty most days. When the flights were in operation they were by and large full and operated as connector flights quite well with Pearson, luggage checked through to destination etc. I saw that as a service too since it’s in their name and it’s not Air Bits of Canada.

Rant over.

Was this a problem with a feeder to Pearson? By cancelling a Kingston feeder they eliminated another flight in or out of YYZ, the most screwed up airport on the planet.

 

[Evoex]

This is just an extension of identity politics and it’s exploited and propagated by both parties. Right wing parties propagate it to rile up a a base to get exposure just as much as left wing parties do.

It’s childish school yard antics from both sides.

mmmmmmmmm....i think it is squarely identity politics. I remember when Aunt Jemima and Mrs. Butterworth got cancelled. Some normal, joe blow activist was interviewed and he stated "when we (african americans) fight for equality and respect it has nothing to do with a damn bottle. no one in this movement gives a **** about syrup."

want a local example? Dundas St.

who gives a ****? i'd probably be searching a long time to find an activist who cares.

 

[nobbie48]

Just a wild thought.

My definition of a Canadian is "Someone who wants Canada to prosper as a peaceful progressive nation."

If we had faith in our elected officials at all levels, would most of these problems go away?

 

[Shaman]

Except....we don't suck. Like it or not, it's reality. I swear, some of the people I see online and meet IRL who chirp this nonense turn out to be some of the least travelled people out there, who's entire meltal image of the world around them is emcompassed solely from inside our own borders, and based on viewpoints and mental images spoon fed to them via social media.

I'm willing to bet I've traveled more than you. I've spent the better part of a year abroad in my life over the span, and of those months only one area is a regular visit (Robbinsville, NC). Not a few weeks here or there, but many actual months in myriad places foreign and domestic. At best, we suck less.

In early december I was in Haiti. We were on a glorious little tiny sliver of Haiti run by a cruise line and very, VERY well protected, but Haiti. A lot of people who visited that day surely left with a mental image of Haiti being this glorious little sliver of heaven on earth, because that little sliver of Hait really was. But the reality is that Haiti is a total ******** overrun with gangs, violence, murders, and poverty, the levels of all of those at and well beyond what anyone living in first world countries like ours could never begin to comprehend.

I've also been to Haiti more than once. I brushed up against coral in a dive and got a three month infection in my back that I couldn't reach without help, because the water is so nasty where I was. Lesson learned, if the water looks dirty it is.

People on that little sliver of heaven in Haiti probably went home thinking Haiti is awesome because they've never bothered to educate themselves outside that little sliver. Reverse that situation here in Canada, and you have people actually legitimately thinking Canada sucks.

Possibly. I see your point but I think it's pretty myopic. Then again, so are average citizens.

So, I watched your video. Now go read the rebuttals to it.

From an unknown website that appears to be a left-specific site that apologizes for authoritarian actions from our govt.? Nah. I'm not taking anything away from this web site whatsoever. Good reddit searching, though. I'll address the red tape issue though - I work out with my counselor an average of 3 days a week and he has to fight bureaucracy all the time even out here in the country, because so many of the bureaucrats want their own little fiefdom with authority over their peers - legal, earned, ethical or not. In fact, that's what moved him to run for the office six years ago and he's on his second term. There's one build that is now 13 years of wrangling with the bureaucrats and the only reason the developer is still at their door is that he's so ****** off that he decided to push forward even if he never actually breaks ground.

You have no idea how important the step of cutting "red tape" would be to Ontario and Canada on the whole.

"Conservative deputy leader Melissa Lantsman says Canadians will learn how her party plans to "rein in" government spending, and what cuts that may entail, during the next federal election campaign."

Good. We're now over $70,000,000,000 of revenue just to service the debt in the Federal and Provincial governments. We are soon going to re-negotiate at current interest rates and that will skyrocket.

"Her comments come after a pair of Liberal MPs took to the House of Commons foyer on Tuesday to decry what they saw as a lack of information around what Poilievre's plans are, more than a year into his leadership, but potentially still years away from the next campaign."

Ah yes, the Liberal MPs are complaining. Why would they do that? Heavens me.

They're ALL playing the same game, despite Poilvre dribbling out things like "housing hell" to say a lot about nothing in the end.

Hot take. What have the other parties "dribbled out"? Oh yeah........... nothing.

Personally, I dislike ALL our options right now. All 3 should be flushed and we should start over, maybe we could get some new people that I could palatably vote for.

At least we agree on one thing. But the Liberals would be our worst option right now if the current NDP iteration didn't exist.

 

[TK4]

Our close proximity to the Excited States influences so much here in Canuckistan.
For the good or the bad, when they sneeze we say 'bless you'.
If that orange sociopathic thug gets back in as POTUS we're screwed.
The system we have isn't the best perhaps, but it certainly is better than the dumpster fire down there.

 

[Shaman]

Lets remember it was our conservative provincial government who removed rent controls and helped facilitate those $2000 basement apartments. Thank you Doug Ford.

You're right, but you're so wrong. As a landlord myself, those basement apartments would go off the market and become AirBNB destinations, because you have no IDEA how difficult it is to get mortgages for rental houses and what is required. The bank thinks it's in business with you as a partner, and if you slip below a 4.5% net profit, they will penalise you with higher rates or possibly even pull out of the venture.

In other words, banks are controlling rental rates in many (most) buildings and they are bloodless, soulless capitalists.

 

[Shaman]

We know PP wants to "axe the tax" (the carbon tax). Except ... Most people (~80%) are getting a bigger rebate than what they're contributing.

This was true, but is no longer. Even the Liberals admit that at least 60% of Canadians pay more than they receive.

This isn't a carbon tax anyway. It's a thinly veiled wealth distribution scheme so that the Government doesn't have to source more welfare costs to the poor and disabled. It's obvious and it's been called out by hundreds of economists, but apparently saying "no it's not!" is all it takes for the Liberals to ignore them.

 

[Evoex]

Our close proximity to the Excited States influences so much here in Canuckistan.
For the good or the bad, when they sneeze we say 'bless you'.
If that orange sociopathic thug gets back in as POTUS we're screwed.
The system we have isn't the best perhaps, but it certainly is better than the dumpster fire down there.

aren't they all? and what does that have to do with policy.

 

[TK4]

aren't they all? and what does that have to do with policy.

Aren't who all ?

 

[PrivatePilot]

CP doesn't make enough from the parcels to make it profitable... and never will.
There's lots of other delivery services out there.. Amazon uses many different delivery services.. they would simply move the CP deliveries over to other carriers if CP was eliminated.

See earlier comments about not every government subsidized service *needing* to be profitable, as well as what will happen if CP went away tomorrow.

CP does go places the others don't currently go.. but that would change if CP was eliminated.

Oh boy, don't assume that. These "other carriers" are for-profit companies, not a government service. If they can't make a profit servicing somewhere, they don't service it - end of story. This is so insanely common that I think most people outside of the actual industry (which I'm in, BTW) don't understand it. For-profit companies aren't really into losing money servicing unprofitable areas, or unprofitable customers, and the void that CP would open up in many areas would simply not be profitable..

It's easy for all of us living in the big city to say "Well, tough luck", but that's shortsighted. What do they do when UPS of FedEx tell them to get stuffed and simply don't service their area because they'd lose money doing it?

You can't force a private business to service an unprofitable segment without, well....paying them to do it. Either that means your parcel that would have been $25 with Canada Post becomes $250 with UPS, and your lettermail becomes $50 instead of $2, or the government subsidizes it. Then instead of funding a public service, you're funding a for-profit business, and almost certainly ending up paying more in the end because contrary to what is often public opinion, quite often public services end up being cheaper than private replacements - US healthcare vs Canadian healthcare, but for one example, anyone?

Are we still winning at that point if we replace all public services with private for profit replacements subsized by the taxpayer in the end anyways?

From an unknown website that appears to be a left-specific site that apologizes for authoritarian actions from our govt.? Nah. I'm not taking anything away from this web site whatsoever.

I knew the video you provided was going to be slanted to the right, as it totally was. But you refuse to read a rebuttal (which is factual, BTW) just because you deem the source too hard left?

You see, this is part of the problem with our politics right now - facts don't matter when they get in the way of ones political "team".

You have no idea how important the step of cutting "red tape" would be to Ontario and Canada on the whole.

Did you read the earlier responses on this a few pages back? Again, "Cutting red tape" isn't the magic wand so many think it is. Homebuilders are for profit companies in the business of maximizing their profits and often can, and do sit on property until it's more profitable to build. They build expensives homes because there's a demand. They can't build *more* then they already do quite often because there's simply not enough tradespeople to do it anyways. Where does "cutting red tape" fix much of this? It's a huge Poilvre talking point, but it's just that - a talking point that scores political points, but often rings hollow when you look at the bigger picture.

Hot take. What have the other parties "dribbled out"? Oh yeah........... nothing.

Whataboutism.

Like I said, they all suck.

 

[Evoex]

Aren't who all ?

politicians.

 

[GreyGhost]

See earlier comments about not every government subsidized service *needing* to be profitable, as well as what will happen if CP went away tomorrow.


Did you read the earlier responses on this a few pages back? Again, "Cutting red tape" isn't the magic wand so many think it is. Homebuilders are for profit companies in the business of maximizing their profits and often can, and do sit on property until it's more profitable to build. They build expensives homes because there's a demand. They can't build *more* then they already do quite often because there's simply not enough tradespeople to do it anyways. Where does "cutting red tape" fix much of this? It's a huge Poilvre talking point, but it's just that - a talking point that scores political points, but often rings hollow when you look at the bigger picture. .

Cp and via do not need to be profitable. In no way does that mean they should ignore opportunities to economize. Contrary to jt's beliefs, you cannot burn infinite money for all time. At some point the house of cards collapses. Economizing now means you have more time before the edge of the cliff.

You have obviously never tried to get anything approved by a municipality and have a deep hatred for developers. Yes, many developers are sitting on land, there are also many sites trying to get built and running into red tape stupidity that adds five to six figures to every dwelling and improves nothing. Just a straight dumpster fire of paperwork. It has gotten so bad that some consultants and developers no longer work in some unicipalities until there is a regime change and purge of the useless tits (you would categorize this as developers hoarding land). That is directly red tape slowing down housing and driving up costs. The amount of stupidity means getting approval in some municipalities costs double or triple neighboring municipalities not staffed by power hungry morons.

 

[Brian P]

This was true, but is no longer. Even the Liberals admit that at least 60% of Canadians pay more than they receive.

This isn't a carbon tax anyway. It's a thinly veiled wealth distribution scheme so that the Government doesn't have to source more welfare costs to the poor and disabled. It's obvious and it's been called out by hundreds of economists, but apparently saying "no it's not!" is all it takes for the Liberals to ignore them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/axe-the-tax-and-carbon-rebate-how-canada-households-affected-1.7046905

 

[PrivatePilot]

Cp and via do not need to be profitable. In no way does that mean they should ignore opportunities to economize.

Is there a citation indicating they have not done this? And what happens when the bigger picture of "economizing" doesn't work, ie the examples in my earlier response?

Via rail also handles freight, for example, so they've explored other profit avenues, as well. Theyr'e also priced insanely high for passenger service, so it doesn't seem like they're just not charging what the market will bear, either. My sisteer and I went to Quebec City earlier this year for a family function and we could literally have flown via Porter for less money than the train tickets cost, at 1/4 the time, not including the drive to and from Billy Bishop. The only reason we opted for the train in the end was that we got the tickets for free courtesy of a family member who had accrued a ton of Via points in the past.

It has gotten so bad that some consultants and developers no longer work in some unicipalities until there is a regime change and purge of the useless tits

The opposite also holds true where some cities and councils just rubber stamp anything and everything that crosses their desk in the face of "build, build, build!" pressure. When then results in people like me waiting in literal 1 kilometer backups trying to get to the 401 some mornings because the results of this sort of unimpeded development without a corresponding development of local infrastrure means that old existing infrastructure gets overwhelmed.

 

[PrivatePilot]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/axe-the-tax-and-carbon-rebate-how-canada-households-affected-1.7046905

Warning: CBC News article detected. Expect blowback regarding source, regardless of facts and valid iformation contained therein. Reference response 246.

 

[Shaman]

I knew the video you provided was going to be slanted to the right, as it totally was. But you refuse to read a rebuttal (which is factual, BTW) just because you deem the source too hard left?

A completely unknown web site. Also, I'm not convinced it's entirely factual, either. You saying so doesn't make it true.

You see, this is part of the problem with our politics right now - facts don't matter when they get in the way of ones political "team".

I don't have a team. I'm anyone but Liberals and their socialist toadies, the NDP. I wish there was some other choice, since the Greens are idiots with no hope of forming government and Bernier's PPC has ideas all over the map, some which are clearly good and some which are clearly not. But then again, I'd still pick Bernier over the Liberals and the NDP right now, who don't care about debt, culture, sovereignty, the working class or much else that directly affects the average Canadian.

Did you read the earlier responses on this a few pages back? Again, "Cutting red tape" isn't the magic wand so many think it is.

Except this is wrong. It can back up a build proposal for YEARS (and has), adds a very large cost (20%+) to the build of every home, and has sunk many a build proposal because the municipal costs got to the point of ridiculous and onerous, so the builder backed out.

I'm not guessing at this either, I'm both an investor and someone who - as I pointed out - exercises 3x a week with a municipal counselor who took on the job because the bureaucrats were unreasonable in his riding. He's done quite a bit himself to get some of these issues out of the way and serves on the development council as well, just because the NIMBY crowd *issed him off so badly on a personal point of view. Everyone out here thinks the lakes are THEIR lakes and nobody else should have any right to build on them, as a clear and present example.

Trust me or don't, I shouldn't really care, but getting any red tape out of the way is a huge and present improvement.

Homebuilders are for profit companies in the business of maximizing their profits and often can, and do sit on property until it's more profitable to build. They build expensives homes because there's a demand. They can't build *more* then they already do quite often because there's simply not enough tradespeople to do it anyways. Where does "cutting red tape" fix much of this? It's a huge Poilvre talking point, but it's just that - a talking point that scores political points, but often rings hollow when you look at the bigger picture.

I know a number of contractors that suddenly became available again when the interest rate shot up to around 7% for many prospective homeowner mortgages and housing builds were cancelled. Not to mention the skyrocketing cost of materials. I've read that something like 30% of Ontario's builds stopped in 2023 because of these issues. If the demand existed, private business and entrepreneurs would rise up to meet the challenge and make their fortunes.

If, you know, builders were building. We have a housing crisis already and no end in sight, because - amongst other things - it takes years to get most build projects rubber-stamped by municipalities full of NIMBYs. That you deny this just underlines the naivety of your view of reality.

BTW one of the biggest problems right now is that it's a whole lot less trouble and very profitable just to buy land for housing and sit on it. The costs of development are so high that it's an easy, clean business to be in.

Whataboutism.

LOL. Sure, sure.

 

[Shaman]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/axe-the-tax-and-carbon-rebate-how-canada-households-affected-1.7046905

My brother in Christ, you just proved my point without realising it.

It's a wealth distribution scheme. Nothing more, nothing less. There's no government income, there's no spending going on from it, there's exemptions for the big players and the rest of the industry just passes the cost on to the consumer market.

All your CBC story (*cough cough something something propaganda pushers*) does is point out that the wealthy (whoever they are) would get to keep more of their money and the poor would have less money because the scheme that gives them more welfare on the backs of the working class would be axed. I'M ALL FOR THAT. Workers are taxed enough and the poor are not my @#$% responsibility, I wasn't born in to serfdom at least in concept.

But it ignores reports that say that more than 60% of Canadians *DO NOT* take home more from the rebates than they spend. In fact, even the Liberals themselves have acknowledged this. So where the CBC gets off making up their own data, I don't know. Secondly, since 47% of Canadians pay no net taxes, this makes their claims highly specious because they happily skew the stats to look just as rosy as they can make them.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Parcel delivery could remain daily. Delivering 10 parcels to a superbox farm takes a lot less time than hitting 100 mailboxes daily. It won't be a magical change but it will save a lot of money with negligible change for most people (other than being butthurt that a change happened).

Don't know anyone else's specifics but I'm rural residential, my mail gets put in the mailbox mounted on the wall beside my front door by someone walking the route, and someone in a little postie truck comes every day at a different time and delivers the packages separately.