Why Android is better than iPhone.

AdRath said:
Want to know why you can find WD live for under MSRP? because WD makes junk. I have a WD My book world II and WD hasn't updated the firmware in over a year and refuses to address ongoing issues. Just read the WD forums and you get the picture. When products don't sell because they are crap they get discounted.
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i see, so are we now clear that an apple premium exists on the appletv, before we move on to different topics?

thanks.

i could say, as some on this thread have suggested, that no one gives a crap about 'anecdotal' evidence since it means "jack shizz". . .but i'm not that eloquent.

as for the relative estimation of the other products on that link, i don't own any of them, but that review seems to put the apple tv at a dead tie with the other products. i'm not sure that your theory that when products aren't selling, they are discounted. that is way too broad a generalization.
 
MotoStark said:
Here's a thought.

Apple.ca It shows that I can walk into any store and buy an itouch for $249, or you can buy a glorified version of the iTouch also known as the iPhone for $549 (or almost $700 for an extra memory model *gasp*).

So what does an extra $300 get me? A telecommunications chip and a poorly designed antenna (confirmed by independant consumer reports Lab testing.)

Consumer Reports in their latest issue doesn't rate the iPhone any higher than the best of the Androids on the market.


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What a thought!

You are so right, when bringing a product into the market one must price it according to how much it cost to make, not by what the current smart phone market has set! We are all in business to make lots of friends and little money!!!

Steve is slapping antennas and "telecommunications chips" on iTouches and calling them iPhones that sunavabitch!

The iPhone outperforms the torch, focus, android device of the week, in hardware specs and is priced the same, what a rip off!!
 
afong56 said:
i see, so are we now clear that an apple premium exists on the appletv, before we move on to different topics?

thanks.

i could say, as some on this thread have suggested, that no one gives a crap about 'anecdotal' evidence since it means "jack shizz". . .but i'm not that eloquent.

as for the relative estimation of the other products on that link, i don't own any of them, but that review seems to put the apple tv at a dead tie with the other products. i'm not sure that your theory that when products aren't selling, they are discounted. that is way too broad a generalization.
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There isn't a premium for apple TV. Other apple products sure. your paying for design. Why does a lower end BMW cost more than a honda civic? it must mean BMW is crap right?

There is a set MSRP that isn't discounted when a product is selling well. Many of the other products in that list aren't discounted and run at the same cost give or take a few dollars.

Products that don't sell being discounted isn't a generalization it is a fact. When GM was doing crappy and not selling cars they discounted their product massively. When a product isn't selling the price must be lowered to entice buyers. I'm not sure if you are being dense on purpose but the concepts of the retail world seem to go right over your head. Products get moved either by being sought after and high quality or they are sold cheaper so that people give up quality to save a buck. Its not a hard concept to understand.

My comments of WD not supporting a lot of their devices isn't anecdotal it is fact. Go to the WD support message boards and you will see thread after thread complaining about the lack of firmware updates and suport/response from WD representatives. WD put out a firmware update that bricked the drives in the My Book World edition. This is fact and they pulled the update and have yet to come up with another in a year. These are facts sorry.
 
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MotoStark said:
Re: Apple TV is another redundant iBox as my blu ray player has internet hook up and has all kinds of internet options like watching you tube vids and such. Sony is constantly offering free firmware upgrades to make the devices more capable. Besides, many new TVs are becoming "internet" ready and come with an ethernet jack ready to go, and offer the same features.
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Not every product is for everyone and that is fine. I don't have a need for apple TV because I can stream content through my Xbox from my MBP or through my NAS system. But if you don't have a playstation or xbox or an iTV then it would be a great little device for streaming. Also the appeal is to be able to stream subscription content from itunes or netflix. That is the main purpose. Of course those who don't feel the need to pay for other peoples hard work won't care but many people do.

Just because a product isn't for you doesn't mean it isn't a good product. Its a pretty simple concept.
 
AdRath said:
There isn't a premium for apple TV. Other apple products sure. your paying for design. Why does a lower end BMW cost more than a honda civic? it must mean BMW is crap right?

There is a set MSRP that isn't discounted when a product is selling well. Many of the other products in that list aren't discounted and run at the same cost give or take a few dollars.

Products that don't sell being discounted isn't a generalization it is a fact. When GM was doing crappy and not selling cars they discounted their product massively. When a product isn't selling the price must be lowered to entice buyers. I'm not sure if you are being dense on purpose but the concepts of the retail world seem to go right over your head. Products get moved either by being sought after and high quality or they are sold cheaper so that people give up quality to save a buck. Its not a hard concept to understand.

My comments of WD not supporting a lot of their devices isn't anecdotal it is fact. Go to the WD support message boards and you will see thread after thread complaining about the lack of firmware updates and suport/response from WD representatives. WD put out a firmware update that bricked the drives in the My Book World edition. This is fact and they pulled the update and have yet to come up with another in a year. These are facts sorry.
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not sure how you suggest there isn't an apple premium when the product is priced between $25-45 more than its competitors.

right now, these types of media players are niche products, but they have the potential to explode in popularity--the problem is that they are competing against embedded players such as the xbox, ps3, and some tv sets/bluray players. the wd live is far and away the market leader. for them to discount their product, it isn't because it's not selling. i can't find exact sales figures, but they probably outsell apple tv by about 5 to 1.

whether they are crap, is another issue. to make the claim that wd live is discounted because it is not selling, is an overstatement, as i suggested.

edit: oh, and using a story about wd mybooks to illustrate a point about wd live products is not convincing. do you have any evidence about the actual product (wd live)? it's a logical fallacy.
 
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afong56 said:
not sure how you suggest there isn't an apple premium when the product is priced between $25-45 more than its competitors.

right now, these types of media players are niche products, but they have the potential to explode in popularity--the problem is that they are competing against embedded players such as the xbox, ps3, and some tv sets/bluray players. the wd live is far and away the market leader. for them to discount their product, it isn't because it's not selling. i can't find exact sales figures, but they probably outsell apple tv by about 5 to 1.

whether they are crap, is another issue. to make the claim that wd live is discounted because it is not selling, is an overstatement, as i suggested.

edit: oh, and using a story about wd mybooks to illustrate a point about wd live products is not convincing. do you have any evidence about the actual product (wd live)? it's a logical fallacy.
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I'm using my experience with the WD MB World (which streams media) to illustrate that Western Digital is no longer the quality device maker they once were. They stopped supporting a product within a year of it being on the market. They released a firmware patch that bricked many peoples drives. They pulled it and refused to release any sort of update to fix the original issues. If you can see how that could be a problem when a company does that then you are lost. I for one don't trust WD any more to support a product and release quality updates.

The WD Live HD is a decent product but again they are having issues playing back AAC audio. maybe they will address it maybe not.

I guess I don't call a $10-15 dollars a premium but if you want to complain that apple is a rip off because of that so be it. For me because I use itunes and have an iphone the apple TV makes way more sense on paper. I didn't say its the right product for everyone but a lot of people use itunes and it integrates perfect and is worth the extra $10-15 price difference. Apple has the advantage of already having a large itunes base out there.

in my opinion (and many tech experts) the 2 best choices on the market are Roku and AppleTV. They both offer up a great feature set for the price. Apple TV has (or will get it shortly) apps which add great functionality. I would wager after this christmas season that both of these have outsold the WD live TV HD.

Its pretty simple. If you have itunes then Apple TV makes sense. If you don't and don't want to be then you can't go wrong with Roku. Both products are the same price. Or is there a Roku premium as well?

This article pretty much sums up my thoughts. Although unlike him I understand why someone wouldn't use itunes but i'd say a good chunk of the population uses it so integration is an appealing feature.
http://www.suntimes.com/business/2879316-420/apple-roku-device-itunes-netflix.html
 
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CruisnGrrl said:
i'm still waiting on clear reasons that the android is better than the iPhone.
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Me too! maybe page 30 will deliver, but I have a feeling its going to be about apple tv.
 
optionfa said:
Me too! maybe page 30 will deliver, but I have a feeling its going to be about apple tv.
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if you set it to 40 posts per page you only get 15 pages... page 30 will be a long time coming, so we'll see more comparisons that don't show any real difference and it's all a matter of preference unless you're irrational fanboi for either side.
 
real question though: which is the best android phone to own right now?

real question, real answer please.
not a trick question, not scarcasm, just wanna know.
simply because i dont know about android.
 
Probably the EVO 4G or the new Nexus S or something? Nexus S is basically Google's own phone built by Samsung... its about as "pure" as Android gets, since Google designed the phone and OS integration.
 
how to get 1?
 
CruisnGrrl said:
i'm still waiting on clear reasons that the android is better than the iPhone.
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See post 1.

Note, they are comparing the two "universes". Not the actual physical device only.

One can't deny that the Android makers are continuing to evolve and churn out latest and greatest handsets. There is no stopping as many different manufacturers continue to pump out handsets with latest and new features.

This is a big win for the customer. Or you can wait 2 years for iPhone 5.

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AdRath said:
There isn't a premium for apple TV. Other apple products sure. your paying for design. Why does a lower end BMW cost more than a honda civic? it must mean BMW is crap right?

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Nah....

BMW and Apple employ similar methods of business operation.

Snazzy marketing, "lifestyle products" and premium pricing. It costs more, so it HAS to be better, right?

On the quality scale, the BMW is far lower than the Jap products.


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afong56 said:
because 90% is a hell of a lot bigger than 10%. but then again, math was never my strong suit. in apple world, 10% is proof positive of a butt kicking. i stand corrected.



again, where do i write this?

also, did you miss the part where samsung builds the processor core that the a4 chip is built around? and uses it in their galaxy products?
as for the retina display, it is made by lg, sharp, and now toshiba. do you really believe that all three of these manufacturers will not use the products they make?

the only thing that apple might own is the name "retina display", or "a4". the technology and production behind it is samsung and lg.

the only way your argument holds water is if the 'quality of the components' that samsung, lg, toshiba, etc. provide for apple is somehow superior to the ones they provide to their own products. do you actually believe this to be the case?

wow. all i can say is, wow.
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Absolutely...because they dont DESIGN these products...they just manufacture them. Manufacture doesnt mean you get to copy Apple's designs.
I am sick of this...I want to see facts. Show me proof that LG/Sharp/Toshiba have the Retina Display. Not something that matches the Retina Display resolution. The EXACT same display. I'll wait.
 
iridebikes said:
First true thing I've ever seen you type! Not sure why you ride a garbage BMW...
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No, its the first true thing I've typed that you actually acknowledged. :)

The Beamer was about 4-5 grand cheaper than the VFR800 I considered. Lighter. Better on gas. 3 year unlimited k warranty over 1 year Honda limited. Newer design over the dated VFR. Belt drive, so no messy chain like the VFR. Highly flickable. Awesome mid range grunt for the street (where I do most of my riding). Amazing dealer support with competent mechanics. Had many positive reviews in all the mags.
 
Too bad its a beginner bike whereas the VFR800 is a world-reknowned top quality sport touring motorcycle.

Belt drive junk. VFR is like Apple to your F800 Blackberry. Exotic V4 engine, heavenly sound, and just exudes quality in every aspect. Perfect example of the BMW lower quality than its Japanese counterpart, but I guess thats obvious considered how cheap your bike is.
 
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