Whitby Accident Victim Identified

[zooropa_chris]

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My personal thoughts...

I think the cop seen a bike speeding a bit and decided to pull him over. The rider made a stupid decision and took off.
The officer chased.
The officer wants this biker really bad and engages in aggressively chasing.
Chased him at speeds the officer isn't trained to chase, risking everyone on the road...but he is going to get this biker at any cost.
Thought he could make the motorcycle crash to stop...but instead only made the innocent passenger fall off and ran over her.

I am mad and upset at the rider who bailed on his passenger, but I am equally upset at the cop for being such a hunter that he was driving so close to run over her when she did fall off.

I suspect the cop played an even larger role in 'why' she fell off. I don't believe it was a 'sudden' lane change. If the rider was experienced enough to throw his bike into a corner and scrap his pegs, he would have got away...and I know from riding with passengers that I can get pretty close to scraping my pegs without them feeling like they are going to fall off.

If it was from 'accelerating', then how could the cop be so close behind that he hit her? The bike would have been gone already.

So now someone is dead because two people made stupid decisions.

 

[Yamaha_Gurl]

If the rider was experienced enough to throw his bike into a corner and scrap his pegs, he would have got away...and I know from riding with passengers that I can get pretty close to scraping my pegs without them feeling like they are going to fall off.

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+1 to that, I've been on the track on the back...and never once did I think I'd fall off the side.

 

[Smokeandapancake]

That seems odd since they are conducting the investigation... If the officer refused to speak to the SIU that just screams he's moved into cover his *** mode. At the very least he would have to file a report of the incident.

But wouldn't they say " If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about" :laughing8:

Witness officers have to make a statement.

Subject officer does not.

Same rights you have...

 

[Smokeandapancake]

Standard Operating procedure, police never, ever make statements to other cops, internal affairs, SIU etc.. without their union rep (lawyer) present. Just how it works.

Actually no, that's not how it works.

 

[KrazyBones]

i really wonder what really happened

 

[Smokeandapancake]

My personal thoughts...

I think the cop seen a bike speeding a bit and decided to pull him over. The rider made a stupid decision and took off.
The officer chased.
The officer wants this biker really bad and engages in aggressively chasing.
Chased him at speeds the officer isn't trained to chase, risking everyone on the road...but he is going to get this biker at any cost.
Thought he could make the motorcycle crash to stop...but instead only made the innocent passenger fall off and ran over her.

I am mad and upset at the rider who bailed on his passenger, but I am equally upset at the cop for being such a hunter that he was driving so close to run over her when she did fall off.

I suspect the cop played an even larger role in 'why' she fell off. I don't believe it was a 'sudden' lane change. If the rider was experienced enough to throw his bike into a corner and scrap his pegs, he would have got away...and I know from riding with passengers that I can get pretty close to scraping my pegs without them feeling like they are going to fall off.

If it was from 'accelerating', then how could the cop be so close behind that he hit her? The bike would have been gone already.

So now someone is dead because two people made stupid decisions.

What are is your personal thought based on???????

Did the cop run over the passenger???

What speeds are officers trained to chase at??

How would he make the motorcycle crash??

 

[Paul]

My personal thoughts...

I think the cop seen a bike speeding a bit and decided to pull him over. The rider made a stupid decision and took off.
The officer chased.
The officer wants this biker really bad and engages in aggressively chasing.
Chased him at speeds the officer isn't trained to chase, risking everyone on the road...but he is going to get this biker at any cost.
Thought he could make the motorcycle crash to stop...but instead only made the innocent passenger fall off and ran over her.

I am mad and upset at the rider who bailed on his passenger, but I am equally upset at the cop for being such a hunter that he was driving so close to run over her when she did fall off.

I suspect the cop played an even larger role in 'why' she fell off. I don't believe it was a 'sudden' lane change. If the rider was experienced enough to throw his bike into a corner and scrap his pegs, he would have got away...and I know from riding with passengers that I can get pretty close to scraping my pegs without them feeling like they are going to fall off.

If it was from 'accelerating', then how could the cop be so close behind that he hit her? The bike would have been gone already.

So now someone is dead because two people made stupid decisions.

By sudden lane change...I believe the rider may have...well...changed lanes suddenly?...then hit the gas causing the rider to fall off the back?...and the car he changed lanes in front of to run her over? Make sense?

I don't think anyone has suggested the rider fell off the side of the bike from leaning too hard...LOL. I don't care how well you ride...if you're scraping pegs on the 401 doing 120kms/hour...you're not getting away...you're in a guard rail or a ditch.

Another scenario...if the cop DID by chance run her over...think about it when your driving down the highway at 120 kms an hour.....how far back from a vehicle would you have to be to avoid something the size of an adult person being unexpectedly tossed at you?

When a truck part falls off a truck and goes through someone's car windshield...is it the car drivers fault because they couldn't avoid the truck part?

 

[CBRJOHN]

I suspect the cop played an even larger role in 'why' she fell off. I don't believe it was a 'sudden' lane change. I

I doubt we will never know the truth , see below.

Witness officers have to make a statement.

Subject officer does not.

Same rights you have...

Why every cruiser isn't equiped with a camera I don't know. Provides valuable evidence of a suspect , It would also quell any talk of Police wrong doing. Or provide evidence of it.

HD video of this event would have been invaluable in solving it.

 

[Smokeandapancake]

I doubt we will never know the truth , see below.



Why every cruiser isn't equiped with a camera I don't know. Provides valuable evidence of a suspect , It would also quell any talk of Police wrong doing. Or provide evidence of it.

HD video of this event would have been invaluable in solving it.

Most officers would welcome it I'm sure.

Are you ok with your taxes going up though to outfit how many thousand police cars in Ontario???

And there will be lots of witnesses that saw who hit what.

But keep trying.......there may be someone here you can convince the cop is at fault.

 

[Moreno636]

Something is rotten in the state of Whitby.

Some of this stuff just isnt adding up. If the police report is to be believed. Rider sees cherries boots it, passenger falls off. So wouldnt the cop car be the first one to hit the passenger?

 

[Moreno636]

Most officers would welcome it I'm sure.

Are you ok with your taxes going up though to outfit how many thousand police cars in Ontario???

And there will be lots of witnesses that saw who hit what.

But keep trying.......there may be someone here you can convince the cop is at fault.

Oh please, what a ridiculous statement. Typical red herring stuff, throwing out the "raise your taxes" card nonsense.

So where are the witnesses???

 

[Paul]

Something is rotten in the state of Whitby.

Some of this stuff just isnt adding up. If the police report is to be believed. Rider sees cherries boots it, passenger falls off. So wouldnt the cop car be the first one to hit the passenger?

Cop puts lights on...bike has car in front of him...bike changes lanes to left lane...bike hits throttle...????

Just another reasonable explanation....

 

[Paul]

So where are the witnesses???

This makes me think the cop didn't hit the girl....there had to be cars around that would have seen that....they'd be calling the newspapers to get their 5 mins of fame with a story like that.

 

[Moreno636]

Cop puts lights on...bike has car in front of him...bike changes lanes to left lane...bike hits throttle...????

Just another reasonable explanation....

Fair enough...its a plausible explanation.

This makes me think the cop didn't hit the girl....there had to be cars around that would have seen that....they'd be calling the newspapers to get their 5 mins of fame with a story like that.

Yeah but this also works both ways...witness can be coming forward to talk about who hit the passenger.

 

[twinn]

Actually no, that's not how it works.

Really, so a police offer has no choice but to make a statement, even if that statement will incriminate himself? And the police officer is not allowed to have legal counsel present while making this statement?

Yupl that is how it works.

yes they have to make a statement but not right at the scence

 

[zooropa_chris]

What are is your personal thought based on???????

Cops are aggressive, they have to be for parts of their job. Sadly in the past few years the HTA has become the biggest source of revenue and most cops spend their time gathering funds. With the new rules if you get pulled over, the cop can take your ride and your licence without really having any evidence. You are free to take it up and win in court, either way, your out thousands. This has become a new big win item for the police and they will pursue it in an effort to do a good job.

Did the cop run over the passenger???

From the beginning I figured the cop was the one that ran her over because the story didn't make sense. Just flipped the lights on and the bike ran, she fell off and there were no witnesses, nobody stopped, nobody saw anything....almost like reading a story of something that happened in a country where if the witness spoke up, they would mysteriously disappear. How can you run over someone and not stop and not get caught when you did it right in front of the cop who is watching the bike and is close because he just turned his lights on? Then a conflicting witness report later said both flew by at about 180 km/hr.

What speeds are officers trained to chase at??

You yourself said it isn't recommended that they engage in high speed chases with motorcycles. There is a reason for this. This cop did and proved why that rule is there in the first place. It wasn't only the rider that made a bad decision. I highly doubt that police are supposed to engage in 180 km/hr chases at night unless they were chasing a child killer or something.

How would he make the motorcycle crash??

Ask any child how a man in a car could make a motorcycle crash, and they will have the answer for you. It's really not rocket science. I have had cops come dangerously close to me to pull me over before and I never even got a ticket. It was more of a roadside insurance check. I can't imagine if the cop is having a bad day and is feeling aggressive and it is getting close to the end of the month and he needs his performance quota met. He could have been tailgating quite closely. If the bike had to brake suddenly and was rear ended by the cop, that would have made the girl fall off. Who would be the first to run her over? Of course, this version is giving the cop the benefit of the doubt in that he was just chasing aggressively and 'accidently' bumped the bike.

Then of course there is this version...
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But, like I said, just my own thoughts. We will never find out the real story as it will be hidden behind the blue badge.

 

[Paul]

How can you run over someone and not stop and not get caught when you did it right in front of the cop

So the cop should have went after the car? Or the bike? Or stopped to help the girl?

Or all three?...like they do in the movies. :confused1:

 

[zooropa_chris]

So the cop should have went after the car? Or the bike? Or stopped to help the girl?

Or all three?...like they do in the movies. :confused1:

There never was another 'car' involved in the story. Of course he does what he did, stop to help the girl. But at that speed the stopping distance is quite a way, so by the time he goes back, well, we all know what it looked like.

 

[AGAVE]

Lemme guess...... :read:

Turbo handles all the TPS bashing on this thread and SmokingPancakes takes care of the OPP ones.

Doesn't matter if the cop ran her over or not, she fell off a speeding bike on a busy 4 lane highway, someone was gonna hit her. It's the riders fault.

And i hate to say it, but it looks like the identity of the rider will remain a mystery if you ask me.

Most officers would welcome it I'm sure.
Are you ok with your taxes going up though to outfit how many thousand police cars in Ontario???

If i remember correctly, the police union voted not to have the cameras.

We just wasted a bazillion dollars on the g20, we can afford a few cameras, the public wants them, it's the cops that don't.

 

[CruisnGrrl]

The fact that they haven't found the rider might be and notice i said "might", be that this was a random passenger pick up. I say this because it has happened to me before. I was at a club with some friends. A woman i didn't know came up to me and ask for a ride on my bike( yeah i know it sounds like a script from an adult movie). My other friends wouldn't do it but i had an extra helmet that night and gave her a ride around the area and then back to the club. My motto with passengers is if they are out on my bike I ride as though the passenger is a fragile egg. Also no speeding, you're out on my bike as a 2 upper you come back home same as you left.

my moto is that "my bike isn't some one's amusement ride" some one wants a ride they better be going where I'm going. and yes i do get enjoyment out of riding and will go out for pleasure rides, but the number one reason i have the bike is for transportation.

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