As a chinese male, i take offense to that !
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what the **** is wrong with people?
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As a chinese male, i take offense to that !
Yeah? So what are you going to do about it? Run him over with your truck?
creating racist stereotypes, crass generalizations and callous jokes about a tragic situation is hardly the best way to respond to this issue. . .
it would be child's play to point out numerous examples right here in our society that equal the sad circumstances in china.
undoubtedly the age and innocence of the victim has heightened the emotional response to this death, and perhaps that is why rationality has taken a backseat. . .
it would be simpler to say that one hopes that chinese society re-examines their view towards each other, and modifies their legal system to encourage good samaritanism, so that something like this never happens again.
it would be child's play to point out numerous examples right here in our society that equal the sad circumstances in china.
undoubtedly the age and innocence of the victim has heightened the emotional response to this death, and perhaps that is why rationality has taken a backseat. . .
it would be simpler to say that one hopes that chinese society re-examines their view towards each other, and modifies their legal system to encourage good samaritanism, so that something like this never happens again.
But it is the GTAM way, unfortunately.
But here's something to think about: Alcohol (for a lot of people) is used for coping. If a person whose life IS working out takes a slight dip and that's enough for them to drink up, imagine a person who's pretty much hit rock bottom. I find them to pretty much be biding their time until they die. It's sort of like how people don't understand why a lot of them smoke cigarettes. It helps to temporarily satiate hunger. And when you break down how much a pack costs + how many cigarettes (or fake mini-meals) there are in a pack, then it sort of makes sense.
I hate how everyone always says that most of these homeless people don't help themselves. The majority of the homeless people you guys see are the ones that gave up trying. You also gotta understand that not everyone's equally resilient/good at coping. (ie Alien_soldier's friend went crazy after losing his family. But there are also people who would be sad, but get over it eventually).
I always urge people to volunteer at CAMH, a junkie house, a shelter, etc. if they really wanna see what it's like. Have a conversation with a bum and see how intelligent many of them are (you have to be intelligent to go crazy).
Sorry to go a bit off-topic, but I guess it sorts of relates to the worth of life
menacingone
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I actually laughed out loud when I read that
vic_himself
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What happens in China stays in China...
stormcat
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+1
I despise people who know absolutely nothing about the homeless who spout off judgments. Thanks for saying this, knowledge.
I've always found getting angry at the homeless is a mechanism to alleviate one's guilt and an excuse for not helping.
The question then becomes how do we help? And that gets into that deeper discussion of government's role, and how "left/right" you want your society to be.
No quick fix.
The question then becomes how do we help? And that gets into that deeper discussion of government's role, and how "left/right" you want your society to be.
No quick fix.
Agreed, that the truly homeless are usually victims of mental disorders or some form of abuse and need help but how does one differentiate between too lazy to work and truly homeless?
Are *any* of them truly too lazy to work? Being homeless isn't for the lazy, and survival on the streets isn't exactly a cake walk.
stormcat
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That assumes that living (i.e., suffering hungry and cold) is somehow preferable to working, don't you think? It ain't no life of luxury, m'dear.
so which is dumber? someone who doesn't want the help that's offered, or someone who offers help to someone who doesn't want help...
Lots of people endure the cold in their line of work. I was thinking of cons like the shakey lady who made a decent buck begging.
biglandfarm
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China is a different world compared to where we live. Everyone is a little insane for their own reasons.
I grew up in China, and frequent the country. I know ^ this is the problem causes most Chinese people to stand aside and not help.
The man G&M refered to was a highschool kid that helped a grandma who fell....and the grandma and her family told everyone it was the kid who did it when she was in the hospital, and immediately decided to sue the kid...his parents had to pay for the medical bills for the grand ma, while he ended up with a jail term of XX year, until recently a witness came up and said the grandma fell on her own. and now hes out of jail...
but he was already been in jail for such a long time, at 18 years old....Hes ****ed UP!
There are alot of fked up things in China, just follow this website http://www.chinasmack.com/ <--u can read the reactions of Chinese net citizens to this incident too.
I grew up in China, and frequent the country. I know ^ this is the problem causes most Chinese people to stand aside and not help.
The man G&M refered to was a highschool kid that helped a grandma who fell....and the grandma and her family told everyone it was the kid who did it when she was in the hospital, and immediately decided to sue the kid...his parents had to pay for the medical bills for the grand ma, while he ended up with a jail term of XX year, until recently a witness came up and said the grandma fell on her own. and now hes out of jail...
but he was already been in jail for such a long time, at 18 years old....Hes ****ed UP!
There are alot of fked up things in China, just follow this website http://www.chinasmack.com/ <--u can read the reactions of Chinese net citizens to this incident too.
no wonder china was bullied by the british, portuguese, japanese, and etc. the people within the country can't stand up and help each other. chinese ppl don't care about chinese ppl. how can other ppl care about chinese ppl? the japanese did some nasty things back in ww2, but at least they always had pride in themselves. for chinese ppl it's every man for himself.
any crap like this happens inside china makes all the chinese people abroad look bad. and reinforcing the stereotype. sucks to be chinese
any crap like this happens inside china makes all the chinese people abroad look bad. and reinforcing the stereotype. sucks to be chinese
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This award-winning short film sums up the apathy of the Chinese in regards to helping others. Based on a true story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqG4gQEEGKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqG4gQEEGKA
EngineerJoe
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This still baffles me. Sorry to hear this happened. I always try to offer a helping hand when others look like they need help but won't ask (pushing a car out of an intersection for example). A couple weeks back (maybe a month or so ago), I found a rider that low-sided on snake rd. and stopped to offer help. I got there after he and his bike were upright again, but thought I could still see if he was ok and if his bike was in a runnable condition.
But I see your point about people. About a year ago I was riding shotgun with a friend and saw a female stuck in the middle of the road outside of her vehicle with the flashers on. I turned to my friend (who was driving) and said "perhaps we should stop and help her" to which he replied "nah, she's fine".
You can't - and that's the problem. I find that they sort of spend their time in a zone where they want to change their life, but are so low that it almost seems impossible. A lot of their neural connections are also so fried from the drugs that they'd need a pretty long detox period to come anywhere close to a normal state of mind. And like I said earlier, temperament plays a HUGE role in being able to get your life back on track. There was actually a social experiment done where this guy lent hoboes money (or it might've been a credit card) and there was actually a HUGE success rate in terms of getting the money back.
I think it's a double-edged sword. The real fix is to get psychologists who care about the problem because it's pretty much being focused on by social workers (and any successful social issue needs to have both psychologists & social workers working together). As of right now, in Ontario, we're shifting our resources towards child development as we've finally realized that children are the future (lmao). IMO, it's the right direction since you can nip A LOT of problems at the bud this way. If you had to pick between where it made sense to allocate resources, it would actually make a lot more sense to focus on child development (and unfortunately, the homeless are SOL).
Personally, I've thought about what I would do if I ever hit low enough and had to beg for money.
1) I would ask a priest if I could help out at a church (regardless of religious belief) with cleaning/general chores/etc. in exchange for a place to stay. Any priest who's willing to say no shouldn't be a priest. This would also give me a place to wash whatever few clothes that I have.
2) I would get a subsidized membership at a YMCA. Normal memberships are 40 bucks, and their subsidy programs are reasonable. So basically, for less than 15 bucks a month, I can get access to a shower. That's 2 necessities taken care of. Now the only costs left would be hygiene products (body wash, soap, etc. It's not too big of a factor considering that the supplies wouldn't have to be replenished for a couple of months)
3) If the church wouldn't be able to offer me food, I would volunteer at a homeless shelter or food bank in exchange for food. Another option is buying food from a food bank - it's actually very affordable for someone with a low/almost-nothign income. This would work because my membership allows me to not look like a hobo. It would also be HARD to find a homeless shelter not willing to help me out as a hobo trying to get back on my feet (the people that run them are probably some of the biggest-hearted people that you'll ever meet).
4) This is a temporary fix that would allow me to spend the rest of my time looking for a job. I would be homeless and no one would even know. From here on, I'd just have to move from job to job until I get to one that pays a decent wage so I can get back on my feet. But that's me, and I thought of that because I had the time to think about it since I wasn't to pre-occupied with trying to survive (lol).
If you want an actual simple and effective solution, you need rich people with big hearts willing to give homeless people a chance by giving them a job somewhere. But this leads to bigger problems with equal opportunity and there's also a high failure rate since people don't change until they're ready to accept that they aren't worthless.
Oh, & np Stormcat
. Sorry to hear that you had to deal with the bs when you were younger
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You can't - and that's the problem. I find that they sort of spend their time in a zone where they want to change their life, but are so low that it almost seems impossible. A lot of their neural connections are also so fried from the drugs that they'd need a pretty long detox period to come anywhere close to a normal state of mind. And like I said earlier, temperament plays a HUGE role in being able to get your life back on track. There was actually a social experiment done where this guy lent hoboes money (or it might've been a credit card) and there was actually a HUGE success rate in terms of getting the money back.
I think it's a double-edged sword. The real fix is to get psychologists who care about the problem because it's pretty much being focused on by social workers (and any successful social issue needs to have both psychologists & social workers working together). As of right now, in Ontario, we're shifting our resources towards child development as we've finally realized that children are the future (lmao). IMO, it's the right direction since you can nip A LOT of problems at the bud this way. If you had to pick between where it made sense to allocate resources, it would actually make a lot more sense to focus on child development (and unfortunately, the homeless are SOL).
Personally, I've thought about what I would do if I ever hit low enough and had to beg for money.
1) I would ask a priest if I could help out at a church (regardless of religious belief) with cleaning/general chores/etc. in exchange for a place to stay. Any priest who's willing to say no shouldn't be a priest. This would also give me a place to wash whatever few clothes that I have.
2) I would get a subsidized membership at a YMCA. Normal memberships are 40 bucks, and their subsidy programs are reasonable. So basically, for less than 15 bucks a month, I can get access to a shower. That's 2 necessities taken care of. Now the only costs left would be hygiene products (body wash, soap, etc. It's not too big of a factor considering that the supplies wouldn't have to be replenished for a couple of months)
3) If the church wouldn't be able to offer me food, I would volunteer at a homeless shelter or food bank in exchange for food. Another option is buying food from a food bank - it's actually very affordable for someone with a low/almost-nothign income. This would work because my membership allows me to not look like a hobo. It would also be HARD to find a homeless shelter not willing to help me out as a hobo trying to get back on my feet (the people that run them are probably some of the biggest-hearted people that you'll ever meet).
4) This is a temporary fix that would allow me to spend the rest of my time looking for a job. I would be homeless and no one would even know. From here on, I'd just have to move from job to job until I get to one that pays a decent wage so I can get back on my feet. But that's me, and I thought of that because I had the time to think about it since I wasn't to pre-occupied with trying to survive (lol).
If you want an actual simple and effective solution, you need rich people with big hearts willing to give homeless people a chance by giving them a job somewhere. But this leads to bigger problems with equal opportunity and there's also a high failure rate since people don't change until they're ready to accept that they aren't worthless.
Oh, & np Stormcat
That sounds pretty much like what I would do but we would be staying in control of our lives. Unfortunately the people that really need help have given up on almost all the above. They have given up control as we define it. There are lots of opportunities out there if one wants to try but when the victim feels there is no hope they don't bother trying.
If you fell unnoticed off a ship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, thousands of miles from land, would you start swimming east or west or just tread water until the sharks or depression got you?
There's a saying "Treat a person like a dog for long enough and they'll start to act like one."
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