So then what is the safer alternative? Track?
Seriously?
When was the last time you saw a woman weaving around on the track in a beige Camry while putting on mascara when the B group was out there doing laps?
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What the heck….mental hesitation…
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Seriously?
When was the last time you saw a woman weaving around on the track in a beige Camry while putting on mascara when the B group was out there doing laps?
Team_Green
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100% the track is the safer alternative. Not even a question.So then what is the safer alternative? Track?
Fuzzbuster
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I think there is a misconception that the track is safer. There are tremendous risks at the track and many accidents and injuries. Not to mention, some individuals don't want or have a desire to ride on the track. Everyone is free to ride where they want but if you think that the track is 100% safer than the street well you are 100% incorrect.
There were 3 motorcycle fatalities in the GTA this last week. How many deaths were there at track events in Canada this year?
They may have modified the bell curve with moderate drinkers becoming modest drinkers. The low imbibers were never much of a problem. The moderates mave been toned down but the heavy hitters continue to be a problem. Repeat DUIs doing insane stuff on the road is the big worry IMO.
However if alcoholism is a disease can you be punished for it? it is a criminal offence. I'm sure that has been covered in court as has the drunk defence.
Multiple DUIs (Or any other charge) is a problem. An alcoholic is different from a heavy drinker and they need different corrective measures. Until they figure out the real causes we have to protect the innocent, even if it means modifying what we call rights.
Thats where you have to be careful with stats. What is safer? Safer per km? Safer per hour? Safer per season? Safer per hour at 8/10ths or higher? All have different answers when you put in the same crash stats.
Fuzzbuster
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How many were there?
No one is punished for being an alcoholic, you are punished for your behavior while being over the limit, such as driving a motor vehicle.
I'm sure that many DUI charged people never drink and drive again, they've learned their lesson. That said, the hard core drinkers and the chronically drunk drink and drive all the time. Occasionally they get caught, but they are unable to, or unwilling to, stop drinking and driving.
It's these people that the cops should clamp down on. If you have a 2nd DUI then your license is suspended and your vehicle impounded for a longer time. Upon return your vehicle, and any other vehicle owned or registered to your address, should have an ignition lock device on it.
The present program is outline here. Ignition Interlock Program
Penalties Impaired driving
The police should also do spot checks on these people on a very regular basis to ensure they are complying with the program they are on.
I'm curious to know what percentage of accidents involving DUI drivers involve a first offence. In other words, how many drivers who are DUI have never been convicted of a DUI in the past. Also, how many DUI drivers in an accident already have one, two or more previous DUI convictions.
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Apples to apples would have to include deaths per participant Km. As far as competative track is concerned, not everyone's brain is wired like Rossi'.
It would be intersting to have a track event where style is more important than speed. Track ballet? Personal best in no traffic? Move up if interested and skills show improvement. Goldwings welcome.
My favourite feeling is having the bike with all G forces in a straight line from the top of the helmet to the tire contact patch, a balance of gravity and centrifugal forces. Could an egg in a egg cup survive a lap in those conditions?
Didn't some psycho repeat DUI babe kill someone a few years back by having someone else blow into the device?
What if a second DUI got the driver listed like a sex offender. Posted address. Over sized license plate with warning stickers. Stamped on driver's license to discourage rentals.
I'm all for face tattoos for repeat offenders. A giant dui/murder/sex offender on your forehead to give others a heads up who they are near.
Fuzzbuster
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I know of 2 track fatalities this season. One of those riders being an extremely skilled and knowledgeable racer. RIP. I also know of several other "racing incidents" that resulted in significant injuries.
Again, fun with stats. If you took a goldwing to a track day and rode a 8/10ths to enjoy the ride, is that safer than the street? I think yes. If you push to 10/10ths on the track is that safer than 10/10ths on the street? Again, I think yes. Trying to compare 10/10ths on the track to 8/10ths on the street is unfair and unreasonable imo.
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Mad Mike
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Mad Mike
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I don't think there is a meaningful comparison between track and street.
My kids old roommate has been hospitalized a dozen times on the track, never on the street.
Mad Mike
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How are you keeping score?
Maybe seasoned vets can chime in with a clear POV.
I'll start. I don't perceive any more risk today than I did 10 years ago.
Rewards exceed risks.
They already have. Pay attention instead of coming up with the next thing you're going to say.
Mad Mike
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When the guys who over-ride themselves at the track days come into the pits, a common question they get asked is, "Did you win the track day?" or "What did you win?"
If they're lucky, an off-road excursion is their only prize.
Team_Green
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We're all entitled to our opinion but If you crash at the track there is medical right there. If you crash on the street there isn't. If you crash on the street you have multiple objects you can hit. On the track, you have run off area designed to slow you and the bike down.
If you think the street is safer, good for you.
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