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What constitutes a full stop?

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johnp said:
QUOTE=rjm4u;1424543].......if you stopped it doesnt mean you need to put a foot down...i have fought a ticket successfully on this....you have stick to your guns...i....
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but if you don't put your foot down, what's your evidence that you've stopped? what argument did you use?[/QUOTE]

i argued that i came to a complete stop...thats all...the crown attorney that fought the case asked me ..."how long did you stop at the stop sign?" I said "i didn't time it i just know i made a full stop"...then he said "you didn't put your foot down did you?" I said "i could have put my foot down and rode through the intersection dragging my foot without stopping...but i didnt do that i made a full stop...the wheels on my bike stopped moving and it was safe to proceed so i did so" then he said "so it wasn't a complete stop ...you kind of rolled to slow right down then accelerated is that what you are saying?"...i looked the judge straight in the eye and said.."your honour that is not what i am saying at all...what i am saying is that i made a full and complete stop and i proceeded because the way was clear to do so"...he said case dismissed and i walked out...that was it
 
I could stand at a stop sign for at least 5 seconds not moving forward or backward without putting a foot down.
Any cop will tell you that this was not a complete stop.
Complete stops must have a foot down.
Even if you're still rolling, and you put a foot down, that constitutes a full stop.

I heard it argued in court.
No foot down, not a full stop.
 
rjm4u said:
i argued that i came to a complete stop...thats all........[/COLOR][/B]
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I am not saying it didn't happen this way but neither side presented evidence other than 'eyewitness' so it's just cop's word against yours. Usually when it's equally matched the judge will, naturally I think, side with the cop. After all who has a greater motivation to lie?

Altho it's true that you could drag your foot around all day, dropping a foot is just one more thing to help the judge believe you.
 
The point of a full stop, meaning one or both legs surpporting the bike is not a mere procedure. Think about it, if you do a rolling stop or stop without foot down, you have already predetermined that you are going forward before you even began applying the brakes. You are more likely to get into an accident at an intercection. It's like signaling into a different lane when there is nothing around you. Feels moronic, but ask those drivers who don't use turn signals as to what they saw before the bang.

Obey road rules.
 
Highway Traffic Act says:
Stop at through highway
136. (1) Every driver or street car operator approaching a stop sign at an intersection,
(a) shall stop his or her vehicle or street car at a marked stop line or, if none, then immediately before entering the nearest crosswalk or, if none, then immediately before entering the intersection; and
(b) shall yield the right of way to traffic in the intersection or approaching the intersection on another highway so closely that to proceed would constitute an immediate hazard and, having so yielded the right of way, may proceed. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 136 (1).

There really is no information specific to motorcycles, so it is up to interpretation by the police officer. Save yourself the ticket and a possible accident; come to a complete stop, drop your foot and look left/center/right and be on your way.
 
ASHES said:
The point of a full stop, meaning one or both legs surpporting the bike is not a mere procedure. Think about it, if you do a rolling stop or stop without foot down, you have already predetermined that you are going forward before you even began applying the brakes. You are more likely to get into an accident at an intercection. It's like signaling into a different lane when there is nothing around you. Feels moronic, but ask those drivers who don't use turn signals as to what they saw before the bang.

Obey road rules.
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if you approach a stop sign and it is clear there are no other vehicles at the intersection why do you need to put your foot down and look both ways?...the law says you have to stop...thats all...the wheels must stop moving...most riders with some experience can sit still for several seconds before they need to put a foot down (there is no time limit...you just need to stop moving forward!!!)...if you are aware and can see that you have right of way and you can see that the way is clear...you are not breaking the law by keeping your feet on the pegs...now because the law is up for interpretation by a cop you may need to fight this in court...i fought one in newmarket court and was successful...keep in mind what you say to the cop that pulls you over can be used in court
 
^ now why do you think the judge believed you instead of the cop?
 
Low rider said:
I could stand at a stop sign for at least 5 seconds not moving forward or backward without putting a foot down.
Any cop will tell you that this was not a complete stop.
Complete stops must have a foot down.
Even if you're still rolling, and you put a foot down, that constitutes a full stop.

I heard it argued in court.
No foot down, not a full stop.
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I heard it argued in court that the devil made the perp do it. That doesn't make it true. "No foot down, not a full stop" you say. According to whom? Certainly not the HTA. The HTA is what you're obligated to follow - not some misinformed cop's perception of what is required.

You don't need to put a foot down to come to a complete stop. You don't need to stop for 2 or 3 seconds either as someone above spuriously claimed. You have to stop the forward motion of your vehicle. Period.
 
red light camera intersections also catch people who turn right on a red and don't stop. I can't find the Ontario spec, but I understand they have a time limit where they consider it a full stop , so your picture will show to be stopped for less than 2 secs for example.. they mail a ticket..
 
Griffin said:
I heard it argued in court that the devil made the perp do it. That doesn't make it true. "No foot down, not a full stop" you say. According to whom? Certainly not the HTA. The HTA is what you're obligated to follow - not some misinformed cop's perception of what is required.

You don't need to put a foot down to come to a complete stop. You don't need to stop for 2 or 3 seconds either as someone above spuriously claimed. You have to stop the forward motion of your vehicle. Period.
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While you're correct, is being correct worth having to take a day off to fight a ticket in court, when a simple and reasonable action could avoid it? Especially so, since you aren't guaranteed a positive outcome if you DO go to court?
 
meester_jamie said:
red light camera intersections also catch people who turn right on a red and don't stop. I can't find the Ontario spec, but I understand they have a time limit where they consider it a full stop , so your picture will show to be stopped for less than 2 secs for example.. they mail a ticket..
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will the ticket stick in court? cuz technically it's not running a red light... right?
 
My comment was with regards to everyones safety. Why you will stop and not put a foot down is beyond me. Matter of fact, it makes no sense at all. Forget about what the law does not specify. Ask yourself if it is a generally safe thing to do. I personally won't do it because i will rather show up late for work in one piece than not at all. You do what you like as long as it make you happy and safe.
 
johnp said:
^ now why do you think the judge believed you instead of the cop?
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i think because i looked the judge in the eye and said i stopped...also the cop was behind me and couldnt say for sure that my wheels had stopped perhaps?...i think the fact that i did stop and was able to look the judge in the eye and say so was what made the difference...i am always ready to put my foot down and i will if i have any doubt...but this was a 4 way stop with good visibility and no other vehicles approaching
 
GiddyupDesi said:
not if you're doin' an M2 exit exam. so, no!



'tis rolling through a stop sign and a moving violation!



do dat a few times in a short time (eg. thru resid n'hood no passing lanes) with cars behind you and you WILL be HONKED at!!!!!!
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I wonder why people are so concerned that somenone may honk at them for no real reason. Same as the "cop pushing me" simply because they were pacing you. Why does it bother you that they honk? Does not bother me one bit if someone honks because I am doing 40 in a 40 or it I do not turn left on the new red light like the 4 cars in front of me. Nor does it bother me when they honk because I refuse to enter the intersection knowing full well I cannot clear it before the light changes. Hell sometimes I simply follow the rules just to piss them off. As for the cop pacing me, let him. Does not bother me at all, and does not make me speed up. I simply drive my vehicle and do not worry about how my legal driving annoys others.
 
meester_jamie said:
red light camera intersections also catch people who turn right on a red and don't stop. I can't find the Ontario spec, but I understand they have a time limit where they consider it a full stop , so your picture will show to be stopped for less than 2 secs for example.. they mail a ticket..
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And that's because it's illegal to stop for less than 2 seconds? Hmm, I wonder where it says that? Certainly not the HTA.
 
bear22099 said:
I wonder why people are so concerned that somenone may honk at them for no real reason. Same as the "cop pushing me" simply because they were pacing you. Why does it bother you that they honk? Does not bother me one bit if someone honks because I am doing 40 in a 40 or it I do not turn left on the new red light like the 4 cars in front of me. Nor does it bother me when they honk because I refuse to enter the intersection knowing full well I cannot clear it before the light changes. Hell sometimes I simply follow the rules just to piss them off. As for the cop pacing me, let him. Does not bother me at all, and does not make me speed up. I simply drive my vehicle and do not worry about how my legal driving annoys others.
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Basic instinct in my case. Honking on me, if I don't do anything silly, really pushes my buttons all the way.
 
So, when I worked it out you may save a couple of hours a year by not actually stopping and putting your foot down.
Every time you get caught I would expect you to lose more than those couple of hours plus any points accumulated, getting your name logged in the police database etc.

To me rolling through stop signs or traffic lights is one of the more dangerous maneuvers.
Ever wonder why so many no right turn on red light signs are going up?
I believe that some people put themselves ahead of others and refused to wait the second or two, which caused accidents, now everyone has to wait 45 or more seconds.
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