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We Know you Ride, But do you Shoot?

GreyGhost said:
Nobody values and pays out. Casualty of bad policy.

If a future government can scrape a few brain cells together they may allow exporting of these newly banned guns. It wont help for more common/cheaper guns that had a big premium in canada but it would allow people to recover their money from the outliers.
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Too much thought required. Everyone gets $50-100 or they’re a criminal.

That’s easier and less work.

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Letter comes from the RCMP, here is your time and place to drop your guns for $X price. If you fail to respond, or show up at the designated time and place, the RCMP will be at your door within 48 hours to confiscate illegal guns.
 
crankcall said:
The truely frightening part for a few owners is some ( very few but enough) of these guns that may see potential ban (Westley Richards large bore ) are worth a couple hundred thousand dollars , There are a couple shoitguns in the mix well over 100k , whos going to value those and pay out?
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In my opinion it's less of a concern with high value stuff in that realm. You can still export/sell them in the US, I'm sure there's a demand and market. You might lost a bit of money but anyone with that much in their collection must have contacts or even a property in the states.
It's the middle ground and rest that suffer. It's very easy to get to tens of thousands worth of guns in a collection.
When each is only worth few thousand, it's going to be a pain to try to export them all and there are plenty of these available in the states.

I'm not in that deep but it's still now money and stuff I'll never get back.
Imagine if you suddenly weren't allowed to sell, buy, use or turn on your bike out of the blue. Only choices are to turn it in, destroy it or export it.
 
killvino said:
In my opinion it's less of a concern with high value stuff in that realm. You can still export/sell them in the US, I'm sure there's a demand and market. You might lost a bit of money but anyone with that much in their collection must have contacts or even a property in the states.
It's the middle ground and rest that suffer. It's very easy to get to tens of thousands worth of guns in a collection.
When each is only worth few thousand, it's going to be a pain to try to export them all and there are plenty of these available in the states.

I'm not in that deep but it's still now money and stuff I'll never get back.
Imagine if you suddenly weren't allowed to sell, buy, use or turn on your bike out of the blue. Only choices are to turn it in, destroy it or export it.
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I thought they were prohibiting any sale/transfer/export?

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It looks like handguns are on full lockdown. Not sure if long guns suffer the same purgatory.
 
My suspicion is places like RockIsland auction , which will facilitate transfer paperwork into the US and The Westley Richards showroom in Dallas will have people showing up with ATF forms that took the gun on holiday and decided to leave it on consignment.

BTW, there is no US income tax obligation (if you do it right) selling used firearms so no capital gains, you leave the money in a US bank to enjoy when your on holiday in Florida, your US client card works at ATMs allover Europe as well.....

@killvino, your are very correct that its the middle ground shooter that will really take a beating , guy that really enjoys his targets and hunting and has put together some nice rifles and he's going to have to replace them to enjoy his sport, but get nothing for them.

I'm a low end clay pidgeon shooter , but a Browning 725 is 5K , BT99 is 3K , Krieghoff K80 is 15K . Have a couple set up for competitions and you have 30-50grand in short order.
 
GreyGhost said:
I thought they were prohibiting any sale/transfer/export?

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It looks like handguns are on full lockdown. Not sure if long guns suffer the same purgatory.
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You can still take handguns to the range. The new legislation will mean you can’t even do that with the banned rifles.
 
jc100 said:
You can still take handguns to the range. The new legislation will mean you can’t even do that with the banned rifles.
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I was more talking about transferring. They currently do not allow import, export or sale. That seems ridiculous as export seems like it would improve safety (if you believe the government that the listed guns are a problem) as every gun that leaves the country is one less dangerous thing the government has to be afraid of.
 
jc100 said:
You can still take handguns to the range. The new legislation will mean you can’t even do that with the banned rifles.
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Sorry wasn't clear on which ban and guns I was talking about.
two different 'bans'.
1. handguns they haven't changed anything except you can't transfer ownership (give, trade, buy or sell, not sure about exporting). You can still do everything you previously did with them (bring it anywhere you can legally, shoot them, etc.)

2. previous in-effect ban and proposed addition rifle ban: you basically can't use the gun except wait for a buyback, destroy it, turn it in or export it.

Both suck but #1 less than 2. At least I can get my value and use out of my legally acquired property. Inherent value is gone because you cannot sell it but better than it being a very expensive paperweight you can't even sell.
 
There are some really historical important ( if you dig this stuff) handguns leaving Canada for good right now . Privately held but museum quality .
I’d be protecting my assets as well .


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crankcall said:
There are some really historical important ( if you dig this stuff) handguns leaving Canada for good right now . Privately held but museum quality .
I’d be protecting my assets as well .


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I thought they fully blocked handgun export already as part of one of their emergency orders?

On a related note, it seems that the new law is strengthening laws around printed guns. It may be harder to print something that can be turned in for money when they do the buyback (unless you printed it before the new law took effect?).
 
GreyGhost said:
I thought they fully blocked handgun export already as part of one of their emergency orders?

On a related note, it seems that the new law is strengthening laws around printed guns. It may be harder to print something that can be turned in for money when they do the buyback (unless you printed it before the new law took effect?).
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Just make sure to print a backdate on it....
 
crankcall said:
Shhhhhh. Our super secure gun laws would never allow such a thing.


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So if I understand this correctly, the frame of a handgun is the registered bit in Canada. So if you print something that looks like the image below you have an illegal firearm even though without substantially more parts it is a terrible hammer at best. On that note, if you printed the top inch of this image, you have room for all the working bits. Is it still a frame? It's going to be a prick to fire as it's coming back at you. That piece of plastic wouldn't even make a bad hammer.

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If you print an AR15 upper receiver, is that a prohibited weapon? You could make it into something that looks like a gun but I could make a log into something that looks like a gun with a knife and some time. Neither one would be capable of firing a projectile.

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Even having the printing schematics is going to be illegal and probably ruin your life, yet alone actually printing one. The states have a big issue with 3d printing guns as their constitution makes a mess of policing it and they have a law that no gun that can pass a metal detector without setting it off is allowed, so technically of they use a metal barrel they can legally print as many as they like.
 
DownUnder said:
Even having the printing schematics is going to be illegal and probably ruin your life, yet alone actually printing one. The states have a big issue with 3d printing guns as their constitution makes a mess of policing it and they have a law that no gun that can pass a metal detector without setting it off is allowed, so technically of they use a metal barrel they can legally print as many as they like.
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Government has their head so far up their ass, they will have trouble prosecuting plastic candle holders.
 
There are a few guys in Canada that make custom rifles . Very special hunting guns and sometimes target arms . And most will be in the ban zone going forward . Another , albeit small one, industry folding .


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DownUnder said:
Even having the printing schematics is going to be illegal and probably ruin your life, yet alone actually printing one. The states have a big issue with 3d printing guns as their constitution makes a mess of policing it and they have a law that no gun that can pass a metal detector without setting it off is allowed, so technically of they use a metal barrel they can legally print as many as they like.
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Normally avoid VICE content but this was a pretty good look into 3d printed guns. Technically legal in many parts of the states. They do not have the same laws as us.

 
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