Verizon possibly coming to CAN and the three stoogers are scared ********!!

Red_Liner740

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Anyone hear those annoying radio commercials that make Bell and Rogers sound like they are collecting money for African starving children? Moaning about possible job losses and "unfair" advantage?

Anyone giggle like a school girl and point at the radio and say:

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They are scared ******** of a US telecom coming and buying Wind Mobile and you know what, good! We need some better competition. They were crying this exact way when Wind and Mobilicity came.

I live 50km north of Toronto, i have ****** cellphone service in my house, in fact my entire town has ****** Rogers service.
They tried to pull some ****ed up **** with internet bandwidth limitations saying how the infrastructure cant support it and that average Canadian doesnt need more than 30gb of data than 6 months later blatantly start advertising FibeTV and now the Wireless TV (hint: huge bandwidth hogs).

I dont remember Bell putting up adds about thousands of jobs lost when they outsourced everything to India....hmm weird that.
 
My son recently got the new Samsung S4 for free in the UK. Unlimited data, phone calls (local and long distance) and wi-fi for the equivalent of $65 a month.

Rogers and Bell both deserve to get eaten alive by the US telecoms/cable providers for *** raping Canadians for years now. Their advert was one of the most pathetic things I had ever heard. Here's the extent of my support for Rogers & Bell;

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Fiery254 said:
My son recently got the new Samsung S4 for free in the UK. Unlimited data, phone calls (local and long distance) and wi-fi for the equivalent of $65 a month.

Rogers and Bell both deserve to get eaten alive by the US telecoms/cable providers for *** raping Canadians for years now. Their advert was one of the most pathetic things I had ever heard. Here's the extent of my support for Rogers & Bell;

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If you think Verizon is going to be a discount service provider you're dreaming. They will be comparable to bell and rogers.

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oilycreek said:
If you think Verizon is going to be a discount service provider you're dreaming. They will be comparable to bell and rogers.

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I have to agree. They may set their cost model to be slightly lower or offer more services for equal money but then Rogers/Bell will only match the offerings. I don't think we will be on par with the US service providers. Why would they take less when they can have more? As consumers we are already conditioned to pay a certain amount. Too bad there are so many sheep and so few shepherds but then again, what choice do we have?
 
JZ67 said:
I have to agree. They may set their cost model to be slightly lower or offer more services for equal money but then Rogers/Bell will only match the offerings.
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I agree, there is no reason why they would offer super discount rates when they can offer a little less and maximize profits. However even if they were to cut rates by 10percent; and Rogers and Bell follow suit - well at least its a start. Robbers and Bell are ridiculous and their whining and crying are pathetic - if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen.:mad:
 
If you guys dont think this will lead to lower rates you guys dont really know about supply and demand.

When you have only two players they can call eachother under the table and set the prices. Introduce more players and you cant do that. We already have seen some price drops due to Wind and Mobilicity coming into the market. Bell and Rogers ******* and moaned back then too and yet the world didnt implode like they said it would.

Look at third party ISP's....they came, offered same plans for less money and people escaped in droves. They could have done what you are saying. Set the same rates but they didnt. Bell and Rogers tried to bury them and thankfully mass media coverage stopped it.

In the end the pessimistic view is "they will set the same prices...", is that how you shop for cars? clothes? Options are better and the ONLY reason Bell and Rogers are moaning now is that they know what it means for their bottom line.

The pathetic commercials are infuriating as they are trying to pull on the patriotic strings of Canadians when Bell and Rogers couldnt give two ***** about that if it betters their bottom line as they have proven with outsourcing jobs.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
If you guys dont think this will lead to lower rates you guys dont really know about supply and demand.

When you have only two players they can call eachother under the table and set the prices. Introduce more players and you cant do that. We already have seen some price drops due to Wind and Mobilicity coming into the market. Bell and Rogers ******* and moaned back then too and yet the world didnt implode like they said it would.

Look at third party ISP's....they came, offered same plans for less money and people escaped in droves. They could have done what you are saying. Set the same rates but they didnt. Bell and Rogers tried to bury them and thankfully mass media coverage stopped it.

In the end the pessimistic view is "they will set the same prices...", is that how you shop for cars? clothes? Options are better and the ONLY reason Bell and Rogers are moaning now is that they know what it means for their bottom line.

The pathetic commercials are infuriating as they are trying to pull on the patriotic strings of Canadians when Bell and Rogers couldnt give two ***** about that if it betters their bottom line as they have proven with outsourcing jobs.
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Lmao, I see how that logic works with gas prices. All stations go up and down together. You know nothing about business. They are not coming here thinking, we're going to give Canadians a break, they're thinking, wow we can make more money over charging Canadians, just like Bell and Rogers do. You don't have competition when you have collusion.

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I am looking forward to Robelus being hammered. The propaganda campaign they are running is so skewed it's laughable.
 
GreyGhost said:
I am looking forward to Robelus being hammered. The propaganda campaign they are running is so skewed it's laughable.
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I think you're going to be disappointed. Even if they buy wind, the service is crap. I switched back from wind to rogers because I couldn't stay connected. If was good for the first few months, then it just became crap. If Verizon buys them, they will have to invest millions in infrastructure, which means higher rates.

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oilycreek said:
I think you're going to be disappointed. Even if they buy wind, the service is crap. I switched back from wind to rogers because I couldn't stay connected. If was good for the first few months, then it just became crap. If Verizon buys them, they will have to invest millions in infrastructure, which means higher rates.

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They're banking on the 700 Mhz Spectrum auction and grabbing an established 600K subscribers with Wind as a starting point. It's not Rogers or Bells 7+ Million, but they're not starting from scratch either. Lots of factors and lots of variables, but it's better they're given an opportunity than continuing with the status quo that is Bell and Rogers.
 
You actually just proved my point with the gas prices. There are only three gas distributors/refineries....EVERYONE buys their gas from them, so yea, there's your limited market price fixing.

Just to add, Oil and gas are necessary commodities for our way of life. They are to a degree set by outside sources and driven by world economy where everyone is competing for the same resources. That business model hardly compares to the media and digital communications.



oilycreek said:
Lmao, I see how that logic works with gas prices. All stations go up and down together. You know nothing about business. They are not coming here thinking, we're going to give Canadians a break, they're thinking, wow we can make more money over charging Canadians, just like Bell and Rogers do. You don't have competition when you have collusion.

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Red_Liner740 said:
You actually just proved my point with the gas prices. There are only three gas distributors/refineries....EVERYONE buys their gas from them, so yea, there's your limited market price fixing.
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And how many real cell providers are there. Bell and Rogers. You really think Verizon is going to make a difference lol.

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Why the derogatory tone of voice Bill? Someone piss in your cornflakes? We're having a discussion why do we have to belittle each other?

As i states already, plans have started to fall in price with the introduction of Wind and Mobilicity. I know that my plan has lowered in price. In fact anyone remember the original CityFido? Unlimited talk for 50 bucks? That was the cats meow and people were willing to pay a lot of money to buy someone out of one. You can get similar plans with data and txt for same if not less money.

Internet as well. The norm up until three years ago was 60 or 80gb bandwidth limit per month when Teksavvy and a couple other ISPs started offering unlimited or much higher limits for the same speeds and same if not less money WHILE renting copper from Bell. Instead of trying to compete Bell and Rogers first reaction was to attack and annihilate competition. When they were shut down in their attempt they conceded and raised GB limits. Their bread and butter was over-limit users. 50 bucks a month if you go above the limit. LOL that was a money maker and they hated to see it go.

Competition is good, False competition is bad. Just like everyone wrongly points out that we have Bell, Solo, Telus, Koodo, Rogers and Fido as competitors when in fact out of six, three are owned by the other three.

I guess what i'm really glad about is not the actual joining of Verizon, but the pissing and moaning like little children that Bell and Rogers do anytime their Oligarchy gets threatened, and the feeble attempts to sway publics opinion through pathetic commercials.
 
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Consumers never win. If you won then the company makes no profit. They are in it to make as much off you as possible while beating out the competition.
 
Verizon would have a huge advantage when it comes to handset costs since they can leverage their immense buying power based on their US market. They should be able to offer much better pricing on handsets, or better subsidies, even if they elect to keep their plan pricing close to what the existing Canadian providers are doing. That alone will give them a big advantage. If they can dangle cheap or free handset upgrades every 12-18 months people won't complain too much about the plan costs. The existing providers would have a hard time dealing with that since they have only a small fraction of the overall subscriber base that Verizon has.
 
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