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Upgrading from SS 600cc to litre bike

zx636

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I am contemplating about the idea of moving up to SS litre bikes. Main reason is the faster pick up with less effort...with the 600, it seems like I need to give it a good twist to get it out fast. However, I am still a pretty conservative rider, ao even on hwy, I go within traffic pace, maybe pacing with the faster vehicles but not trying to filter through cars going at 180+ all the time. In that regard, my 636 is more than enough.

Also, I plan to get another used bike, and from what I heard, the engine of litre bikes are generally in better condition than most 600cc. But that's case by case and you need to look at the actual bike itself. But I am guessing, given the same maintenance level, a 1000cc bike would be more durable than a 600cc??

The key concerns are the insurance and the handling. I still consider myself a novice with only 2 seasons, so, my turns still has a lot of room for improvement. Would the litre bike makes it a lot harder to adjust to the turns? Also, I said I wanted someone for easier acceleration, but would it be a bit too much to handle?? Haha. I had never ridden on a SS litre bike so I don't even know the feeling. None of close friends have one, so never got first hand experience.

Anyone who had made the move from 600 to 1000 can share their thoughts, that would be great.

I am considering the zx10, cbr1000rr, R1 and slight chance of a S1000RR but I kind of worry about BMW's electronics relability cuz i personally had bad experiences with their cars, not sure if it transends into their bikes... : p
 
its cheaper to downshift a few gears and the pin the gas.
 
^ what he said.

Insurance is a lot more. What do you ride now?
ZX10 is known as the widow maker for a reason.

Consider a gsxr 750 if you really want to upgrade. Feels like a litre bike, handles like a 600.
 
I am contemplating about the idea of moving up to SS litre bikes. Main reason is the faster pick up with less effort...with the 600, it seems like I need to give it a good twist to get it out fast.

LOL, you got to be fk%^g kidding me... did you even ride the SS before or you are throwing a question out there just to stand out... from what you are saying, sounds like you are switching from 250 to whatever but wanted to impress someone....

A properly tuned 600 doesnt have a slow pickup at all... in fact, at the very bottom it has a better pickup than heavier bike....

P.S. dyno jet power comander + proper tuning + aftermarket exhaust = death machine... roll-on willies not a problem until 5th gear... also, just an fyi, bigger engine means squat. rode 9r stock vs yzf1000 + port and polish + oversized pistons = he saw my taillight after 4th gear (mid range)

SO, THE POINT HERE IS: maybe its not the bike, maybe its the rider...




OHHHHHHHHH, and btw, ye, it is a 250: http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?177036-WTB-1990-ZXR250-Engine-Parts
grow some balls, there is nothing wrong with riding a 250. up-sizing bike engine size in a thread just to look cooler, is same as buying a magnum condom at the shoppers drug-mart, just to impress ppl around u...
 
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600 SS can go plenty fast.. Depends on how you ride it.

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the only thing that's nice about my litre bike in the city is the fact that i'm not shifting gears constantly and can roll around in 2nd or third without issue. Other than that, it is overkill for city riding. a 600 is more than enough, it's all about the rider
 
I say go for it. If you're ready and want/need/desire more power why not? It's your money. But check insurance first because you may be in for a very rude awakening.
 
I'm of the mind that people can do what they want (for better or worse), but I do have to shake my head when someone says they need a 1K SS to keep pace with traffic -- my little 250 can do that, even up to the 'speed limit' everyone travels at on the 401.

A 1K SS will be:

- more to insure.
- more to fuel.
- heavier (when I test rode a 600 I found my 250 a lot lighter in the corners).
- impossible to use most of the engine/powerband unless you are willing to go a lot faster than traffic/speed limits (imo same is true on a 600 SS as well).
 
Why not just change out the sprockets, go down in the front or up in the rear and you will have the pick up you want.
 
Why not just change out the sprockets, go down in the front or up in the rear and you will have the pick up you want.

Because he's justifying getting the 1000 is a good idea with the GTAM community!
 
I bought a CBR1100xx, more sport-touring than the bikes you're looking at but the power curve is fantastic. Being able to roll on the throttle in almost any gear is fantastic. It seems alot of the opinions in this thread are from people with 250s and 600s, I would take those with a grain of salt unless they have spent significant time on a 1k.

-Adam
 
LOL, you got to be fk%^g kidding me... did you even ride the SS before or you are throwing a question out there just to stand out... from what you are saying, sounds like you are switching from 250 to whatever but wanted to impress someone....

A properly tuned 600 doesnt have a slow pickup at all... in fact, at the very bottom it has a better pickup than heavier bike....

P.S. dyno jet power comander + proper tuning + aftermarket exhaust = death machine... roll-on willies not a problem until 5th gear... also, just an fyi, bigger engine means squat. rode 9r stock vs yzf1000 + port and polish + oversized pistons = he saw my taillight after 4th gear (mid range)

SO, THE POINT HERE IS: maybe its not the bike, maybe its the rider...




OHHHHHHHHH, and btw, ye, it is a 250: http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?177036-WTB-1990-ZXR250-Engine-Parts
grow some balls, there is nothing wrong with riding a 250. up-sizing bike engine size in a thread just to look cooler, is same as buying a magnum condom at the shoppers drug-mart, just to impress ppl around u...

Calm down a little he's right, cruise at 5000rpm and hit the gas on a 1000 and it goes, 600 not so much. He's just looking for more grunt which a 600 doesn't have.

OP maybe look at a 750 as suggested, should have enough power lower in the rpm to keep you happy and it'll be cheaper to insure.
 
I have 2 gsxr 750s and 1 gsxr 1000.
I dont like the 1000, it weighs more, isnt realy that much faster, no good on fuel, a lot more on insurance.

go for the 750, pulling wheelies at 160+ is fun, pulling wheelies on the on ramp and merging at 180 is fun, being able to lift and lower your wheelie as you feel is fun, going over 300kmh is fun, oh wait, yeah get the 750 unless you realy want to play around stupid.
 
If insurance is an issue for you, you will want to check the price difference.

I've ridden litre (or more) bikes for 30 years and prefer the heft and punch to a 600 (or 750 although I've not ridden the GSXR750 which I think is a terrific bike). I ride my wife's 600 and very much enjoy it but I prefer the punch of my 1000.

For those that tell you that a litre bike is overkill, they're correct. So is a 600. So is a 500 for that matter if you are only interested in whether it will easily keep pace with traffic. Personally, I like to be able to get the hell out of dodge when trouble is brewing and like to twist the wrist and disappear. I like fast bikes and fast cars. I can afford them and the insurance that goes with them.

There are many good deals on used litre bikes. If I was interested in creating a fleet I'd likely be adding a Duc and an MV. Maybe the Kawi too. I was just cruising the GP Bikes inventory and had to stop because I was drooling.

Regarding the BMW S1000RR there are varying opinions. Most that I know love the bike, including me. No problems with anything other than a switchgear that got replaced under warranty after 20,000 kms. I have 37,000 on mine right now.

Happy shopping!
 
I am contemplating about the idea of moving up to SS litre bikes. Main reason is the faster pick up with less effort...with the 600, it seems like I need to give it a good twist to get it out fast. However, I am still a pretty conservative rider, ao even on hwy, I go within traffic pace, maybe pacing with the faster vehicles but not trying to filter through cars going at 180+ all the time. In that regard, my 636 is more than enough.

Also, I plan to get another used bike, and from what I heard, the engine of litre bikes are generally in better condition than most 600cc. But that's case by case and you need to look at the actual bike itself. But I am guessing, given the same maintenance level, a 1000cc bike would be more durable than a 600cc??

The key concerns are the insurance and the handling. I still consider myself a novice with only 2 seasons, so, my turns still has a lot of room for improvement. Would the litre bike makes it a lot harder to adjust to the turns? Also, I said I wanted someone for easier acceleration, but would it be a bit too much to handle?? Haha. I had never ridden on a SS litre bike so I don't even know the feeling. None of close friends have one, so never got first hand experience.

Anyone who had made the move from 600 to 1000 can share their thoughts, that would be great.

I am considering the zx10, cbr1000rr, R1 and slight chance of a S1000RR but I kind of worry about BMW's electronics relability cuz i personally had bad experiences with their cars, not sure if it transends into their bikes... : p
I race both in a weekend and prefer the liter bike, however I hate to say this but you do not need any more power on the street than your 636.

You are probably riding the bike at around 8000 rpm, these bikes don't come alive way after the 10000 mark, so pin the throttle a lot more than what you are.

If you just "WANT" a liter bike then go and get it, but do not at any point think or believe that you "NEED" one.

I also own a 2010 GSXR 750 and that might be a perfect bike for what you are looking for.
 
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Based on what you are describing why don't you just get a standard or naked 1000CC bike? Ninja 1000, CB1000R, Z1000R, FZ1, and B-King to name a few. The ride position is comfy, the power band is smooth and they're easier in traffic.

I ride a GSX-R750 myself and have heard 600 and 750 riders constantly say they want a 1000. I always ask them wtf is the point? Unless they're comfortable riding the **** out of the 600, they're better off getting a standard 1000.

Going from a 600 to a 1000 because there isn't enough "lower end power" is like saying you want to play a video game on a higher difficulty because the first level was too easy =P Beat the damn game first!
 
Need: An old corolla or civic or TTC for transportation, a bike is not needed for that purpose due to our cold seasons. Want: Panigale R.
 
I have been riding an R1 for the past 6 season now.... and am actually looking at down grading or something more touring. Now I love the power and the ability to not have to shift through the gears as much, plus its comfortable, but the insurance is stupid to pay for a toy and I am 35.
Pick what you want, but i like the idea of a 750 or just up the teeth on you're 600. Dont buy the hype and get a 1000 just for the cool factor, having more money in your pocket and saving money on insurance is much cooler!
 
a 1000CC is a waste for around here. The 600cc or my 636 does everything for me...I can tour with it just fine, I can communte just fine or track it just fine.

The only reason why I'd push towards the 1000cc is to tour down the the US with it.
 

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