Today, I rode a Harley

...you're part of the brand vs brand machine, look at your sig pic.
Nope. I have a Harley logo because this is, afterall, a motorcycle site, so it's relevant. I don't get apoplectic when I see other brands in people's names and/or profile pictures, so I'm not "vs." anything. I've had Hondas, Triumphs, a Suzuki and a Kawasaki. All had their good and bad. Just never felt threatened by what somebody else was riding.
But whatever floats your boat. It's all good.
 
Wow, I can not imagine the fight over something important like blondes vs red heads or Betty vs Veronica.
How about people ride motorcycles for different reasons. To each their own as long as they enjoy what there doing. HD riders with straight pipes, sport bikes with unbaffled performance headers, seems to me you can be a D-bag no matter what you ride

This argument holds no water at all - you know very well that sport bikes with tuned exhausts are quieter than douchey HD straight pipes.

I see this constantly "well plenty of sportbike guys go too fast and are ********** too!", sure, but they're not as bad, and equating them in such a manner is a fallacy.

If you asked Ontarians to get rid of one group of us, the obnoxiously loud holding up traffic barely keeping it upright HD d-bags or the riding too fast, splitting lanes, up on one wheel sport bike guys, they would get rid of the HD idiots everytime.
 
I generally stay out of the the whole World vs. H-D thing; always degenerates into a bunch of juvenile name-calling and is as predictable as the sunrise. But I'm curious about something; this is for BOTH sides: are you as obsessed with all other aspects of other people's lives as you are with what kind of bike somebody else is riding? I get that we're passionate about our bikes but the H-D/non-H-D thing always goes to great lengths. I think only religion and politics generate more heated posts. Do you also rip on people for wearing the "wrong" shoes? Reading the wrong book? Car? Food? Hair? Pet? Underwear? Music? Anything else that doesn't affect you, doesn't cost you money, is none of your business but offends your sensibilities? Do you honestly believe that your internet rant is going to make that Honda rider buy a Harley or the Harley rider buy a Yamaha? I'm honestly curious about the motivations at play here.
Many people who ride don't feel well about some of their life choices. Of course they're going to lash out and try to make others feel poorly about THEIR choices. Don't worry about it. If your bike is sufficient for you, then you're good to go. Just ride it. Look at all those people who buy a bike and then are out looking for a new one three months later. Personally, I can't say much about others' choices, as I own a Suxuki. Just ride it.
 
If you asked Ontarians to get rid of one group of us, the obnoxiously loud holding up traffic barely keeping it upright HD d-bags or the riding too fast, splitting lanes, up on one wheel sport bike guys, they would get rid of the HD idiots everytime.
Can I use that as my signature? It's...:crybaby:...it's beautiful, man.
 
You're as free to spew your ideas as I am to spew mine.

I have to put up with HD ads, see douchebaggers running straight pipes, and telling me about how good their HDs are, you have to put up with me disagreeing vehemently.

Suggesting you're in some way "above" people who "intrude" on other's business is ridiculous


:LMAO: Oh the pain of it all. Having "to put up with" these horrible Harley riders. But what about the banshee wail of those café sport bikes at 3:00am on the way home from the bar? Or all those YouTube vids of sport clubbers alarming the public by popping wheelies mid-traffic at 60mph? Running from police? Surely nobody here would do that? It must have been some other guy. Isn't the pot calling the kettle black a bit here? I better stop before I make the argument for outlawing all motorcycles. But truthfully, when have motorcycles not been a magnet for non-conformists?
 
I absolutely agree that D-Bag behaviour which intrudes on others becomes their business. But said D-baggery is not restricted to any one brand. Ask anyone who lives near FOTC. As far as the video goes (I only watched about 15 seconds worth; too emotionally overwhelming), it's a marketing tool, same as any other company makes for its products. Drink this beer, win that girl. Use this deodorant, get that job. Ride this XYZ sportbike, be a champion. If they all ellicit that same level of attention from you, you must be a busy lad.
I dunno, I just don't understand the ire the topic raises. I read these comments and I picture snarling, spittle-flecked lips as the poster hammers his keyboard into jelly in a self-righteous furor of brand-ism. "Fools! They don't know what they're talking about. I must enlighten them and then they will worship at the feet of my all-knowingness!" It's frickin' hilarious.
I honestly, truly, don't care what anyone else rides. I don't think my bike makes me a better person or better rider, I just think it's the right bike for me. Maybe it's an age thing, maybe I'm not "passionate" enough about motorcycles to make everyone think and ride the same way I do.
And yeah, I caught the Liberace thing. ;)

Did you catch my observation about living in a vacuum? It's got nothing to do with brands per se. Most humans bring a manipulated persona to the public stage. Unlike animals, we're self aware. How one chooses the present themselves says something about their frame of mind at that time. Most people want to present themselves in a positive light, whatever that may be for that individual person. This would not be the case in a vacuum, ie no audience. Take your basic human freakshow and transplant him/her/it into the wilderness by itself. The change in behaviour vi-a-vis public display would be remarkable. There is a symbiotic relationship between the freakshow and the audience. It annoys and amuses some unwilling participants. Forums like this provide a convenient arena to discuss that.

One buddy rides around (for years) with straight pipes. Obnoxious. Brand of bike does not matter(its a Harley). One summer he announced big trip out west. First order of business? Get a decent exhaust system. Why? "I'm not gonna listen to that fukcing racket all day!!" "What an annoying blat, have you heard it?" Have I heard it?:rolleyes: The upshot: there's no faux individual rebel biker payback on loud pipes on the Prairies.
 
:LMAO: Oh the pain of it all. Having "to put up with" these horrible Harley riders.

damn right, I deserve a medal.

But what about the banshee wail of those café sport bikes at 3:00am on the way home from the bar?

lol, "cafe" sport bikes...looks like someone was alive and riding in 1970; take it easy old man, I'm sorry some inline 4s scared you while you were taking your blood pressure pills :)
 
damn right, I deserve a medal.



lol, "cafe" sport bikes...looks like someone was alive and riding in 1970; take it easy old man, I'm sorry some inline 4s scared you while you were taking your blood pressure pills :)

Well, we all have to be tolerant if we want to maintain a free society, and putting up with a bit of mild sociopathic indulgence shouldn't get you a medal. I'll stock up on pills.
 
Well, we all have to be tolerant if we want to maintain a free society, and putting up with a bit of mild sociopathic indulgence shouldn't get you a medal. I'll stock up on pills.

yes, this is correct, and I will continue to indulge in making fun of people for their choices as I see fit.

I may object on a "how could you have so little taste as to buy an HD" level, but I wouldn't support an initiative to make the bikes illegal or anything.
 
Did you catch my observation about living in a vacuum? It's got nothing to do with brands per se. Most humans bring a manipulated persona to the public stage. Unlike animals, we're self aware. How one chooses the present themselves says something about their frame of mind at that time. Most people want to present themselves in a positive light, whatever that may be for that individual person. This would not be the case in a vacuum, ie no audience. Take your basic human freakshow and transplant him/her/it into the wilderness by itself. The change in behaviour vi-a-vis public display would be remarkable. There is a symbiotic relationship between the freakshow and the audience. It annoys and amuses some unwilling participants. Forums like this provide a convenient arena to discuss that.

One buddy rides around (for years) with straight pipes. Obnoxious. Brand of bike does not matter(its a Harley). One summer he announced big trip out west. First order of business? Get a decent exhaust system. Why? "I'm not gonna listen to that fukcing racket all day!!" "What an annoying blat, have you heard it?" Have I heard it?:rolleyes: The upshot: there's no faux individual rebel biker payback on loud pipes on the Prairies.

You are, as you so often are, perfectly right. Left without an audience, most of the attention seekers wouldn't bother with the attention seeking behaviour. But I wonder if something else would also happen; would those who behave in accordance with social mores abandon their civil behaviour? And then extrapolate that hypothesis to "Do those who feel no connection/obligation to society deliberately behave anti-socially or do they simply not think about it?" In other words, are those loud pipes the product of an attention seeker or a sociopath?
You could even extend that theory to behaviour on forums like this one.
 
Did you catch my observation about living in a vacuum? It's got nothing to do with brands per se. Most humans bring a manipulated persona to the public stage. Unlike animals, we're self aware. How one chooses the present themselves says something about their frame of mind at that time. Most people want to present themselves in a positive light, whatever that may be for that individual person. This would not be the case in a vacuum, ie no audience. Take your basic human freakshow and transplant him/her/it into the wilderness by itself. The change in behaviour vi-a-vis public display would be remarkable. There is a symbiotic relationship between the freakshow and the audience. It annoys and amuses some unwilling participants. Forums like this provide a convenient arena to discuss that.

One buddy rides around (for years) with straight pipes. Obnoxious. Brand of bike does not matter(its a Harley). One summer he announced big trip out west. First order of business? Get a decent exhaust system. Why? "I'm not gonna listen to that fukcing racket all day!!" "What an annoying blat, have you heard it?" Have I heard it?:rolleyes: The upshot: there's no faux individual rebel biker payback on loud pipes on the Prairies.
Da fuq?? Since when you start speaking like that?

I think that's the most substance or thought provoking material you've posted all year.
 
There is a seat for every arse..Ride your ride...



From another forum.....Used *** instead of arse though...
 
You are, as you so often are, perfectly right. Left without an audience, most of the attention seekers wouldn't bother with the attention seeking behaviour. But I wonder if something else would also happen; would those who behave in accordance with social mores abandon their civil behaviour? And then extrapolate that hypothesis to "Do those who feel no connection/obligation to society deliberately behave anti-socially or do they simply not think about it?" In other words, are those loud pipes the product of an attention seeker or a sociopath?
You could even extend that theory to behaviour on forums like this one.

What you call anti-social behaviour comes across, to me, as an act done to achieve recognition, acceptance and admiration by way of setting themselves apart as special individuals. Could be varying degrees and combinations of attention seeker, sociopath and/or any number of other mental health issues. This is can happen anywhere, forums included, but you knew that. I catch myself crossing my personal line in the sand from time to time. Anyway, true anti-social behaviour is, imho, a completely different animal.

ps I should say that I'm not on a personal crusade to change other people, I'm just noting what I (and many others) observe: over the top, crass, uncouth behaviour that we're asked to celebrate. Not gonna happen.
 
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Da fuq?? Since when you start speaking like that?

I think that's the most substance or thought provoking material you've posted all year.

i can typing 2day:naka:
 
What you call anti-social behaviour comes across, to me, as an act done to achieve recognition, acceptance and admiration by way of setting themselves apart as special individuals. Could be varying degrees and combinations of attention seeker, sociopath and/or any number of other mental health issues. This is can happen anywhere, forums included, but you knew that. I catch myself crossing my personal line in the sand from time to time. Anyway, true anti-social behaviour is, imho, a completely different animal.

ps I should say that I'm not on a personal crusade to change other people, I'm just noting what I (and many others) observe: over the top, crass, uncouth behaviour that we're asked to celebrate. Not gonna happen.

Excellent points. Though I have to echo RockerGuy's sentiments; where are the snappy one liners and non-sequitors?
 
You just highlighted the reason they use them - because they want to use cheap fasteners but don't want people complaining when they strip them out.

Japanese and even Italian motorcycles use good quality fasteners so they don't need to use 12-pts to keep from stripping.




You have this backward - inexperienced ********** buy HDs, but then later realize they are crap and move on to bikes that you need experience to appreciate.



Honda sells the most motorcycles, by a large margin - not HD.




IMO this is pretty much ******** in its purest form.

my mother has been buying HDs for several years - primarily because they are the only bike that are low enough without a lowering kit for her to ride....each and every one of them has problems related to cheaping out on design, materials, and quality control.

failed bearings, electrical problems, accessory fastening issues...and on the last two bikes, very ****** fuel mapping and no torque at low rpm despite having a massive, under-square engine.

they're unreliable pieces of **** that cost about 3x what they should for the materials and worksmanship you're getting. I don't care if US union lackeys put the chinese parts together, it's still not worth it.

I finally got her to install a lowering kit on her Yamaha - she loves it, and is now thinking of selling her HD and never buying another one.

You enjoy your cool aid my friend, and I'll enjoy mine and call it a day.

As I've mentioned before, I'm not a brand loyalist and have owned and will likely own whatever brand and style bike that floats my boat.

I still argue that HD is no more expensive to purchase or maintain over comparible brands. They have their lumps and bumps in terms of reliability just like the others too.

But you go on with the crusade to convert the less wise. Sounds like your doing a great job. Even if it's you telling everyone how good of a job your doing.


Carry on.
 
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Originally Posted by k193

If you asked Ontarians to get rid of one group of us, the obnoxiously loud holding up traffic barely keeping it upright HD d-bags or the riding too fast, splitting lanes, up on one wheel sport bike guys, they would get rid of the HD idiots everytime.

"Everytime"? That's pretty presumptuous. And no, I don't ride a HD. I saw someone do a wheelie heading east on Fennell Ave. yesterday evening. My first thought was, I hope that person gets caught by the police. While I may not appreciate some 'obnoxiously loud' pipes, seeing sport bike riders pull wheelies, ride aggressively, speed, etc - I'll take loud pipes any day.
 
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Originally Posted by k193

If you asked Ontarians to get rid of one group of us, the obnoxiously loud holding up traffic barely keeping it upright HD d-bags or the riding too fast, splitting lanes, up on one wheel sport bike guys, they would get rid of the HD idiots everytime.

"Everytime"? That's pretty presumptuous. And no, I don't ride a HD. I saw someone do a wheelie heading east on Fennell Ave. yesterday evening. My first thought was, I hope that person gets caught by the police. While I may not appreciate some 'obnoxiously loud' pipes, seeing sport bike riders pull wheelies, ride aggressively, speed, etc - I'll take loud pipes any day.

My guess would be you didn't call the cops because you were too busy changing your adult diaper.
 
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