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Those pressures were run on a Triumph 675.

They were the pressures recommended by the Race vendor.

Power isn't really relevant to the tire pressure equation, its based on weight and the construction of the tire.

Your pressures are incorrect, correct tire pressures are the base of your traction equation, if your base is wrong, everything else will be wrong as well.

A 1000cc bike will light the tire up with any tire pressure.
 
Those pressures were run on a Triumph 675.

They were the pressures recommended by the Race vendor.

Power isn't really relevant to the tire pressure equation, its based on weight and the construction of the tire.

Your pressures are incorrect, correct tire pressures are the base of your traction equation, if your base is wrong, everything else will be wrong as well.

A 1000cc bike will light the tire up with any tire pressure.

So next thing to do is run my psi 23 and give it a try, Dam that seems low, but thats what Im getting on the site,
 
+2 on pressures being crazy. COLD I start with 30 in front and 23 in rear on a 05ZX6R. TMP is a tire shredding track.
 
+2 on pressures being crazy. COLD I start with 30 in front and 23 in rear on a 05ZX6R. TMP is a tire shredding track.

bike model has nothing to do with tire pressure
 
What are you guys seeing psi increase from cold to hot. Im seeing 3psi, So i start at 23 im at 26 when i get in
 
I'm assuming you're running those times at tmp? Track and configuration is useful information, grand bend long track thats a very quick lap, tmp not so much.

If you're running at TMP, that track eats tires. I run around 1:23's there and cooked the left side of a power one in two days. With the power ones it's a good indicator that you're almost at the end of the tire when both tire sipes dissapear on the outside as seen in the picture below. You'll know the tires done because the bike will try to high side you. The michelins do truly fall off like a cliff.

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If you're pushing fronts at the end of the day i'm betting it's because you were getting tired and putting weight on the bars. I put 3 days at tmp and another 3 at grand bend on a power one front before i tucked the front trying to be a trail braking hero, the tire still had lots of grip left in it. Actually you're probably feeling the front flex but not push because of too low psi.

You might also want to know that the michelin tire rep at the track (wayne - kennedy motorsports) recommends 30psi **cold** for the front power one, 34/35 hot seems insanely high to me and i've been bumping it down a little, but you probably want to be running higher then 28 warm in a power one. Dont take my word on it (seriously dont because i wont take responsibility for you falling down lol), talk to the vendor you bought those tires from and see what they say. Cant give you a psi for rear because i'm on a 160 rear and its not the same.

I have run Pirelli Corsa 3s and Corsa Rossos at TMP with 2 track days, and 6 months of street riding and pull 1:20s and don't get that kind of wear. I also run 29psi hot. 2009 ZX10R, stock. No tire warms, and hundreds of heat cycles.

Sounds to me like the OP's suspension isn't set up right to be honest.

I can usually get a full year, 2 solid feeling track days, by the time the 3rd track day feels squirmy.
 
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I have run Nitto 420S tires for 30,000km now and one trip to the Dragon where I pull 16:00s and I don't get that kind of wear. 34psi hot. 2007 Ford Edge, stock. No tire warmers, hundreds of heat cycles.
 
I have run Pirelli Corsa 3s and Corsa Rossos at TMP with 2 track days, and 6 months of street riding and pull 1:20s and don't get that kind of wear. I also run 29psi hot. 2009 ZX10R, stock. No tire warms, and hundreds of heat cycles.

Sounds to me like the OP's suspension isn't set up right to be honest.

I can usually get a full year, 2 solid feeling track days, by the time the 3rd track day feels squirmy.

sounds to me like he needs 5ml more fork oil

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I have run Nitto 420S tires for 30,000km now and one trip to the Dragon where I pull 16:00s and I don't get that kind of wear. 34psi hot. 2007 Ford Edge, stock. No tire warmers, hundreds of heat cycles.

Also cute. What's the problem? You think we are comparing apples to oranges here? And then a follow up, why run tires that have 10 to 50 heat cycles and poor wear if one doesn't need them and lap times could be imporved elsewhere? The right set up of street tires will get you further than fiddling with different tires. The difference between PC3s, PCRs, MP1s, DQ2s is minimal, barring profile and minor longetivity issues. We aren't comparing slicks to street tires here. On top of that, a 600cc at TMP should be pulling better times than a 1L, with less torque and stress on the rear. I can see if the OP was reaching the longevity limits of the MP1s after 2 track days if he was pulling sub 1:19s, maybe down to the 1:17s, but come on.

What I am suggesting is that these tires can take far more heat cycles and still give 1:26 performance comfortably, without tire warmers, and in addition to riding on the street, inclussive of temps below 5 degrees.

You honestly entertain the notion that street/track tires are losing significant grip after 2 track days? What kind of garbage tires / and or set up is falling off that fast running 1:28 at TMP?

Another poster was right about putting too much weight on the bars, incorrect tire pressures, and what appears to me to be too soft a set up at the rear. Another poster was right...start with sag, then go from there...comp, rebound (on manufacturer suggested PSI levels). Then fiddle with PSI drops in every session until you're comfy with the performance. Sessions at the end of the day tend to suffer from fatigue of the body and mind rather than the tires, and I tend to agree with the poster who suggested the weight transfer issue

There are tons of track riders out there, shredding the crap out of their tires and getting no substantial increase in lap time improvement, but they swear to themselves they are really getting the most out of their tires because they "look" like a set of MotoGP take offs. If your tire looks like a GP take off, and you aren't anywhere near the *** end of a novice racer's pace, then your suspension isn't set up right, and don't blame the tire.

And shredding the left side of a tire at TMP?!?!?!?!?! Really?!?!?! I can see if you had some cold tearing at the tread, but not shredding.

MP1's may have substantial drop off after a few heat cycles, but not noticible by someone 10 seconds off the pace of a novice racer at TMP. Something else is wrong.


Oh wait...let's go with the generic advice...those tires are mangled take offs. Sell them off to some chump and get new slicks and new springs (with the $200 said chump will poney up) to get the OP to 1:25...yeah go with the upgrades.
 
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Also cute. What's the problem?

The pressures you run in your Pirellis have no bearing on what pressure should be run in a Michelin.... at all.

Power 1 is a DOT race tire. Corsa IIIs and Rossos are Hypersport street tires.

Apples and Oranges.
 

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