It was a Bell helicopter and Iran can’t get parts for that because of sanctions that have been in place for a decade or so. “Iran” and “good record of air safety” are not two statements you see together very often. Why would Mossad go to the bother of an intricate assassination attempt when gravity will eventually do the job for them.
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It was a Bell helicopter and Iran can’t get parts for that because of sanctions that have been in place for a decade or so. “Iran” and “good record of air safety” are not two statements you see together very often. Why would Mossad go to the bother of an intricate assassination attempt when gravity will eventually do the job for them.
Mad Mike
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That’s a very narrow view of history. I could write a dissertation on each, but I have better things to do this summer.
Did the US make mistakes… absolutely. Did the Europeans ravage resource rich countries - of course they did, as has every power since the beginning of civilization. I can’t see an argument for applying todays conventions back over history - that was then, this is now.
As for your history,
Like it or not, the US has a role as the leader of the free world. And a requirement to defend their domestic interests. To address your points:
NATO in the Balkans fiddle-farted around for 4 years. The US stepped in to lead after the slaughters in Srebrenica. They settled the mess
Without the US, both Koreas would be under the regime that rules the north. I think South Korea did ok.
All of the eastern block was lifted to a better place once the Soviet Union collapsed. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" Tat was targeted at east Germany, but rapidly moved thru the eastern bloc, with many nations liberated.
Remember the US entry into WWII caused its end. The US could have handled Japan, but the Europeans could not have handled Russia and Germany.
Post war Japan would have been crushed by China and the rest of Asia post war. The US led its reconstruction under MacArthur led Allied Occupation in Japan. Europe would have been in shambles for 100 years, the US Marshall plan and generous immigration options for Italy and Ireland underpinned the reconstruction of Europe.
That’s all for tonight. Still interested in learning which govts were overthrown, and what did they steal?
Guess you don't read what's provided.
Relying on the laudable aspects of the allies in WWII and ignoring the imperialist history of the US ( the UK as well ) both before and after WWII....talk about narrow.
You very pointedly ignored the elephant in the room which is Iran and the overthrow engineered by UK and US for oil.
It was an "enlightening" conversation - his positice view of Canadians/Australians vs the US led him to open up
- what did the US steal? life and freedom of tens of thousands of Chileans.
Then there is Iraq....and Vietnam, Hawaii, Panama, etc etc.
Relying on the laudable aspects of the allies in WWII and ignoring the imperialist history of the US ( the UK as well ) both before and after WWII....talk about narrow.
You very pointedly ignored the elephant in the room which is Iran and the overthrow engineered by UK and US for oil.
We met a lovely gentleman in Chile in 2021 who was shot in the balls by the Pinochet henchmen when he was carrying a placard as a university student and had to spend decades in France. We talked for a long time and he was still engaged in getting justice for those impacted by Pinochet.
It was an "enlightening" conversation - his positice view of Canadians/Australians vs the US led him to open up
- what did the US steal? life and freedom of tens of thousands of Chileans.
Then there is Iraq....and Vietnam, Hawaii, Panama, etc etc.
You'd pick China? Yes the US is far from perfect but China? Uygers, Hong Kong, Taiwan all happening right now.
Also, it's not the spying that's the issue. It's that a foreign government is controlling the news source of a generation. They can seed conspiracy theories, drive the left to the left and the right the right until we all hate each other and have civil war. They control the echo chamber you're in.
But no rapists on board.Did you even bother to look at the weather conditions they were flying in? Zero visibility. It was your quintessential Kobe scenario, with snow and freezing temperatures thrown in for additional SNAFU.
DownUnder
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China doesn't have to even do that, the American, Canadian, British, Australian etc govts are doing that already. People in the west are the most divided they have ever been and its not foreign govts doing it.
I think china and russia could well be driving some of those echo chambers creating the divide.
Judging by the number of people that jumped on board making excuses for Russia when they invaded Ukraine, as well as many other wild conspiracies that have grabbed traction I believe they are already driving that wedge.
I think that there has even been some intelligence reports in the news over the last few years.
"increasing political and social discord in the United States. According to the U.S. intelligence community, the operation—code named Project Lakhta[3][4]—was ordered directly by Russian president Vladimir Putin.[5][6] The "hacking and disinformation campaign"
Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia
Odin forbid you take anything at face value without taking the opportunity to librificate the **** out of it.
Cheapest ever way to continue a soft war. No tanks, no soldiers, no real risk. You just need Ivan in his mothers basement in Moscow posting under a few hundred aliases about pedophiles in pizza parlours and the country goes to ****.
Gonna need that translated into english.
Judging by the number of people that jumped on board making excuses for Russia when they invaded Ukraine, as well as many other wild conspiracies that have grabbed traction I believe they are already driving that wedge.
I think that there has even been some intelligence reports in the news over the last few years.
"increasing political and social discord in the United States. According to the U.S. intelligence community, the operation—code named Project Lakhta[3][4]—was ordered directly by Russian president Vladimir Putin.[5][6] The "hacking and disinformation campaign"
Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia
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Yes, every government in every country is doing this. To think otherwise is naive.
I'll type slowly.
I equate the weather of the Iran crash to Kobe's crash (both foggy). You feel the need to bring up Kobe's sexual past which has SFA to do with the topic (other than the fact you get to act all smug some more).
Mad Mike
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You don't have to worry about me, I read well.
You have to take a deeper peek than Facebook U into history. Post war, Iran was a pseudo democracy that had complicated dealings with the UK and Russia. The UK was heavily invested in Iran, they had funded exploration, transportation and refining under long-term licencing deals. Did they exploit the Iranians? Possibly. There's no debating that Iran wasn't organized of financed well enough to develop an oil industry -- they needed someone to do that. The UK and Iran were willing partners in the beginning, UK getting valuable oil, Iran getting the value of a domestic infrastructure for oil and gas. In the early 50's, Iran decided to nationalize UK assets, which actually have an upside for the US. But it wasn't all upside, nationalizing oil put Iran closer to the USSR. So, in the end Britain was protecting it's financial investment, the US protecting against Communist expansion through the region.
As for Chile, is another example of the US defending it's interests by protecting a heavy financial investment from Communist nationalization plans. Chile was an economic mess, the Russians were at the doorsteps -- you pick the lesser of all evil and look for a better long-term outcome. Chile has not done too badly - arguably better than Cuba or Venezuela -- a couple of Latin American countries that were let slip into socialist totalitarian states.
Can I help it if I'm anti rapist? Any time you get to slam a rapist I say take.
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Dirty Frank
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Embargoes and sanctions only go so far considering the number of "entrepreneurs" that are willing to divert and sidestep to ship in critical goods if the price is right. A fair number of these businessmen call the GTA home for what its worth.
If you have the funds the goods are always available.
Is that in Rubles? I would pay them in Rubles.
No, wait. There's sanctions. Rubber cheque it is.
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