How are the liberals supposed to use that to score points? If it was their candidate, those would be part of the flag but it doesn't fit the liberals branding off the cons as scary boogey men that will persecute those that aren't WAP's.
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Mis-communication. I meant when the liberals call them boogie men that I'm surprised PP doesn't use this a defense more often.
Maybe another smart play. Saving it. If you constantly dangle it, nobody cares anymore. If it comes out from another source (like what is happening now), it can help build respect. Or it's all fooey and not factual so if someone else presents it, he can distance himself if the truth later comes out. I don't trust any of them.
Priller
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The timing is what has changed, not the leader. First election, Trudeau capitalised on a wave of positivity and youth, and enough people were tired of the Harper government. Second was because things were broadly pretty good in 2019 with cans being kicked down the road, and people didn't feel much need for change. 2021 was called because they read the room (and the BC NDP re-election) and knew enough people were scared of change while still navigating out of the pandemic, and they just hung on with help from the NDP. Now, things have gotten markedly worse, and it's clear the Liberals not only did a bad job of managing the challenges faced by the rest of the world, they've actively made many things worse.
Where I will give Poilievre credit is he has managed to court the more socially conservative and populist end of the party without alienating the centre that is critical to a win. Whether that would have been possible in 2019, I seriously doubt, as the Liberals would have forced him to either distance from the edges of the party, handing those votes to the PPC, or torn him to bits on his refusal.
As they say in sports, you can only beat the guy in front of you, but I believe both Scheer and O'Toole would have easily won the upcoming election just as handily as Poilievre. Timing is everything.
Mad Mike
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True. But the public needs someone to shine a light on incompetence... and PP's team still needs to defeat some high Liberals who are popular in their home ridings.
Exposing cabinet minister's lackluster performance on the national scale raises awareness in their local riding.
It's a smart play as those voters often need a good reason for changing a long term encumbant.
Mad Mike
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I think a lot of folks were surprised that they didn't.
O'toole won the popular vote, but neither did the hard work of targeting and knocking down the weak or incompetent Liberals needed to win the riding count. That list of folks I mentioned before didn't suddenly get incompetent, houses suddenly didn't get unaffordable, and healthcare didn't suddenly become hard to find.
PPs lit the fire of public's awareness and caring about things we already knew. Now he's pouring gasoline on it.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
You can't weaponize gay anymore in politics, even harder to weaponize a situation where dad led a traditional suburban family from the closet.
If anyone can get a mile from his dad's sexual orientation, it would be PP. But that could be a walk across thin ice, a walk he doesn't need to make.
Ferreri ripping Freeloader for another government program doomed to fail. Food for kids and cons want amendments to track cost and allocate funds. Libs are blocking amendments and spinning it as cons hate kids.
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It’s not a national food program it’s #justintrudeauhungergames Liberals refuse to support Conservative amendments asking how much Carbon Tax it will cost to deliver and produce the food. They said it doesn’t matter how much. 🤯🤯 They said NO. | Mi
It’s not a national food program it’s #justintrudeauhungergames Liberals refuse to support Conservative amendments asking how much Carbon Tax it will cost to deliver and produce the food. They said...
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Priller
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Incompetence or no, I would argue the perception of their competence has changed not because of CPC attacks but because of larger economic changes, the larger of which are outlined below...
No, but those with houses were happy to count their imaginary money as values grew and rates stayed low. With increased rates, not only the folks priced out were upset, but now those inside the club were also ****** as many faced massive mortgage payment spikes. Add our over-leveraged average Canadian suddenly paying way higher rates on their HELOC and disposable income, real or imagined, suddenly disappeared.
On top of that, poorly managed immigration policies have meant that not only is there an ongoing unaddressed trades labour shortage limiting the rate at which supply can be added, we've also dumped hundreds of thousands of international 'students' onto communities totally unprepared for their housing demand. This means not only is housing unaffordable to purchase, it's also unaffordable to rent. And this has impacted places that haven't had to deal with inflated purchase pricing. I was speaking to a friend in Cape Breton, and they have a crisis of housing due to the volume of students. PEI has the same, only higher profile. This has the double-whammy effect of also impacting students and young people, and both they and the Atlantic provinces were big drivers of most Trudeau election wins.
The intensely negative reaction to both of these issues have anything to do with Poilievre. Neither did the food cost crisis, and the perceived lack of action from the Liberals in addressing greedflation for basic life requirements, or not hitting companies like Loblaws with windfall taxes as has been done elsewhere. Add the fact that the NDP are perceived to be in lockstep with the Liberals, or at least not holding them accountable on big issues in return for action on pet projects, and people have almost exclusively moved blue when they may have moved orange in the past. I expect a bump for the greens in the upcoming election as people on the left refuse to vote either red or orange, though I suspect it'll also mostly just nibble away at Liberal and NDP vote counts rather than result in more seats (similar to the PPC effect on the Conservatives in the last election).
Nope, but it's been a second or third tier issue that has always been usurped by other issues on the list of voting priorities. When people are already ****** off, then it just becomes another thing to be ****** about.
Poilievre may be getting more action and campaigning, but a lot more people are a LOT more ****** off this time around, rather than nervous like they were in 2021. And it won't make much difference anyway, as I expect a Liberal decimation not dissimilar to the Progressive Conservatives in '93, complete with a likely handoff from Trudeau to Freeland to match the Mulroney to Campbell sacrifice. The only thing that will save the Liberals from losing official party status is that there isn't a viable centrist alternative similar to the Reform Party of the time. While I admired the goals, calling a party the Centre Ice Party was such a staggering miscalculation that it called into question their common sense...
Mad Mike
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Maybe. I guess we’ll never know. But my guess is PP simple concise communication to the middle/working class has made them understand and care more about incompetence in the existing regime.
PPs shrewdishness started when he declined to engage in leading the party when it wasn’t ready. I suspect he knew it would take time for an opposition to build personal brand and get the messages right. Two guys dies on that hill before him, he seized the day when the conditions were ripe.
I still believe the average Canadian would have grumbled through the current conditions as long as their leaders tossed a few goodies, blamed things on uncontrollable international conditions, and likened our mess to other messy countries.
Perhaps a cardboard cutout could win if an election was today. I’m pretty sure PP will do that crushingly.
why?
POWERMAN
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I suspect because one would think that Conservatives were anti - LGB..?
Im curious as well now, lol.
Tom Mulcair: Pierre Poilievre proves to be a quick study when it comes to damage control
It was Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s birthday on Monday, but he could've probably done without the package that one of his more obscure backbenchers dropped on his doorstep, writes former NDP leader Tom Mulcair in his latest column for CTVNews.ca.
Some great insights from Tom, as always.
A conservative getting a head start on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?Tom Mulcair: Pierre Poilievre proves to be a quick study when it comes to damage control
It was Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s birthday on Monday, but he could've probably done without the package that one of his more obscure backbenchers dropped on his doorstep, writes former NDP leader Tom Mulcair in his latest column for CTVNews.ca.www.ctvnews.ca
Some great insights from Tom, as always.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
I think this is a pretty fair OP-ed coming from Mulcair, a hard-left socialist.
The key point in this article is that PP set and is leading the PC party position on LGB, weed, and abortion. When the Wild West backbenchers step out of line, he jams a pair of granny panties into their mouths.
I've spent enough time with western rednecks to know that Viersen isn't the only one that can't wait to use his political position to promote his religious views. There are a bunch of videos around showing the risks of premature celebrating and showboating. PP is doing OK thanks mostly to him not being a Liberal.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Isn't that their job definition at this point?
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