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The "Official" Watch Thread and all Things Horological

The moonswatch has jumped the shark . It’s becoming relatively easy enough to source at retail , the speculators may still be catching some fish that don’t live near an urban center where you can buy . I truly hope the guys that bought to flip end up owning for a decade.
If your going to be an extortionist, at least make serious coin, picking up $300 bucks being a wank? Too little return on effort


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Anybody in the GTA thinbking about Citizen watches or Alpina ( citizen company) look at the Citizen corporate store at the Premium Brands mall , Trafalgar Rd at 401 Milton. They get hundreds of overstock, discontinued watches often sold at crazy discount.
Same mall has a smaller store selling Mido , Hamilton, Tissot at discount since they dont want excess stock sold in regular stores. There can be some real deals if thats your thing.

On this, there is also an annual (maybe more) warehouse sale in Markham with these brands. It's usually a pretty popular thread on RFD (redflagdeals) when it is announced.
 
And Im apparently not gettiung my Rotary super7 orange diver. Bought through Chrono24 vendor , shown as 'in inventory' . Got a notice shipping was delayed as they were waiting for inventory , then a notice next day order has been cancelled , they cannot get stock . Well ' at the price they were offering , I'm not surprised they cant get more.

Not the end of the earth , there are about 100 other watches I would like to own LOL.
 
I like it , I have zero need, but where can one source such a thing?
Amazon and some watch parts/tool suppliers have this one, I went straight from Aliexpress.


I can use it to test my watches to get a better idea if service is required on older ones and I may post up some backyard mechanic service hacks on some cheap stuff not worth servicing properly, I can get a before and after....
 
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@killvino summed it up.

It is pretty cool, it uses a microphone to listen to the mechanical watch and measure various things based on the timing of sounds made by the watch. The mount for the watch can be put in various positions as the results will vary in different positions (face up, face down, crown down.....).

From left to right on the display at the top:
-Rate is how many seconds per day the watch is off in the current position (measured).
-Amplitude is how far the balance swings back and forth in the current position, usually the more the better (measured).
-Beat Error basically measures if the balance swings symmetrical, again current position (same one way as the other) (measured).
-Lift Angle you have look up for the calibre and manually enter it in (it is the swing angle of the escapement) if this is entered wrong then the above may be off.
-Beat Rate is the number of beats per hour, it is figured out by the tester but can also be manually set. In the above picture (Speedmaster) 21600 beats per hour for the 861 is 6 beats per second (aka 3 Hz) which means the second hand moves six times per second and the balance is running at 3 Hz. Higher beat rate watches will have a smoother second hand swing...it is a spec of the calibre.
-The graph is just a graph of the above.

All that for $220 to my door!

Rate (seconds per day) can be adjusted inside the watch but if it is really fast or really slow it needs service. The rate can also be tuned without the tester by comparing the watch to another source but you need a good time source to compare to and have to wait much longer between adjustments (hours, maybe a day). Amplitude is the best indicator the watch needs service, if it is low it may be dirty inside, lubrication issues, magnetized or a weak mainspring.

The upside and downside is now I know how good or bad various watches are running.... As an example I now know my recently serviced SMP is running 2 s/d slower than COSC, which is freaking me out :) /s
 
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but how do we know your measurement device is "accurate'?
Being freaked out by the 2s was in jest... :)

It comes down to the engineering concepts of accuracy vs precision with any cheap measuring tool like this. So far the device has been precise with repeatable measurements when I repeat conditions but I have only been playing with it for a few hours off and on today (I have a day job...).

For accuracy, so far course steps.... I have watches that are new or were just serviced and/or I also know they are within a few seconds a day just from wearing them (and it agrees). I have others not worth servicing that range from running rough (visible on the second hand) to totally screwed up and it also agrees... The ones I expect to be in between and out say 20 seconds to a minute or so a day, same again, it agrees. Next I have a few that I am thinking about selling so I have been time checking them face up and crown down over the last week or so on my desk, numbers line up here as well. I also took a couple that were wound down and wound them just a bit to get running, in this case rate was decent but amplitude was way down (as expected). Pretty course steps so far but no surprises.

I will do some longer runs to see what I get from a timing source over some multi-hour periods vs a watch on the tester.

From the reviews most people find it accurate and precise enough, specially for the two easy items rate and amplitude. Beat Error seems to get mixed reviews BUT many that have issue with it do not appear to set the lift angle of the watches they were testing.

I will post up some more as I get more time with it.

I would not use it for chasing zeros in adjustment, instead hobbyist level adjustment or analysis--that is the key take away.
 
So I borrowed a Timegrapher from an aquaintance, the tourbillon movement in an automatic KinYud chinese watch I have that a friend bought me to be funny , it was something like $20 bucks . It’s +- within 4 seconds a day . So pretty ok for what it is . I hate that .


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So I borrowed a Timegrapher from an aquaintance, the tourbillon movement in an automatic KinYud chinese watch I have that a friend bought me to be funny , it was something like $20 bucks . It’s +- within 4 seconds a day . So pretty ok for what it is . I hate that .


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You hate that a $20 watch keeps good time? Hell now I wanna check my watches!
 
I hate that $20 buys about the same time keeping ability as $3000 . But not surprised in the least .



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I believe that we've established that the watches in this thread are NOT for keeping time, but to enjoy the art / design and make sure people know who's the baller in the room.
 
I have gone through all my mechanical watches and my wife's, PITA for some vintage or Chinese ones is to find the lift angle specs, some you just have to guess. Very few surprises.

The champ is a tiny vintage Girard Perregaux manual wind cal 504 from the 60s or 70s I bought it for my wife a decade or so ago. I had it serviced at the time, pretty sure she has never worn it (maybe once). 0s/d face up, noon down and stem down. Amplitude north of 280 in all three positions!

Dishonourable mention. The Sturmanskie Gagarin I bough a little over a year ago. It runs about as good as a "Putin Special Military Operation." Of course it is a 70 year old movement design...
 
I have gone through all my mechanical watches and my wife's, PITA for some vintage or Chinese ones is to find the lift angle specs, some you just have to guess. Very few surprises.

The champ is a tiny vintage Girard Perregaux manual wind cal 504 from the 60s or 70s I bought it for my wife a decade or so ago. I had it serviced at the time, pretty sure she has never worn it (maybe once). 0s/d face up, noon down and stem down. Amplitude north of 280 in all three positions!

Dishonourable mention. The Sturmanskie Gagarin I bough a little over a year ago. It runs about as good as a "Putin Special Military Operation." Of course it is a 70 year old movement design...
Nice! That's good that you're able to take it to good use.

My dishonourable mention is my Chevy Volt...I need to reset that timer every couple of weeks because it's so bad.
 

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